So coronavirus is definitely going to kill a few of us.

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With the exception of the United States government, I would guess the Gates Foundation is the single largest contributor to The WHO, and is extremely involved in their operations.

Whether you think he is right or wrong, Bill Gates is NOT an impartial observer in this process, and should not be treated as such.

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With the exception of Dan Druff, I would guess verminaard is the single biggest contributor to the PFA right wing disinformation echo chamber, and is extremely involved in its operations.

Whether you think he is right or wrong, verminaard is NOT an impartial observer in this process, and should not be treated as such.

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With the exception of the United States government, I would guess the Gates Foundation is the single largest contributor to The WHO, and is extremely involved in their operations.

Whether you think he is right or wrong, Bill Gates is NOT an impartial observer in this process, and should not be treated as such.

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With the exception of Dan Druff, I would guess verminaard is the single biggest contributor to the PFA right wing disinformation echo chamber, and is extremely involved in its operations.

Whether you think he is right or wrong, verminaard is NOT an impartial observer in this process, and should not be treated as such.

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He has a 'PHD' in 'hard science' though.

does he really have a phd?

because i assumed he just spent a week on reddit threads and came back an 'expert'.

like its weird how he will make 10 posts asking for people to explain why an accepted scientific thesis is true but not make a single post about how its likely not. thats not behavior one expects from people with phds. its behavior one expects from emotionally retarded right wing incels.

Team retard talking points for Druff to add to his WHO argunent:

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I don’t know much about the WHO. Except I always agreed with their longstanding stance of decriminalizing marijuana.

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Actually the "blame everyone else but the one responsible" mentality is much more prevalent on the left.

Minorities only get imprisoned or lose jobs due to "racism". Anything bad happening to a gay person is due to "homophobia". Poor people are only poor because of "the rich taking advantage of them". If a woman is told she can't have an abortion at 8 months into the pregnancy, it's because the "patriarchy" is oppressing her. It's just our own internalized Islamophobia which makes us believe that Muslims are more likely to commit major acts of terror in the US.

Remember how long the left portrayed that criminal bully piece of shit Michael Brown (in Ferguson) as a victim? "Hands up, don't shoot", right?

One reason I can't ever vote Democrat is because of how they constantly play identity politics and absolutely detach themselves from reality regarding any matter involving what they deem the victim classes. The entire party platform seems very little about personal responsibility, and big on feelgood groupthink.

Yes, there are some moron white trash, South-Park-style "they took our jobs" Republicans out there, but they bother me much less than the sanctimonious leftists who think they're saving the world because they can whine on Twitter about all the "isms" they oppose.

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Fortunately you have a strong counterexample in Trump, who you seem to love.

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Don't know anyone killed by corona, or even positive for it, but it just killed my favorite casino and home away from home, Lakeside Inn.

Lakeside was the only place worth playing at in South Lake Tahoe. 3/2 $5 minimum bet Blackjack double down any 2, Lobster and steak deals, first drink free, and the best dealers around.

Also, the biggest craps table in the entire state of Nevada.

RIP.

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It's closed entirely and not going to reopen?

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does he really have a phd?

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Probably not.

He really wants us to think he does though.

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The WHO had much more visibility into the whole thing in the early stages than Trump.

When Trump was praising China in early Feb, it was in the same way you praise the work of a shitty co-worker because he has an essential job to do, and you don't want to piss him off and make things worse. This was also before it became clear to the US the full extent that China had been lying, and before they reduced their infection/death reports to near zero (which laughably continues to this day).

Trump had a difficult dance with China at the time. The WHO, on the other hand, has one job, and that's to protect the world's health. They knew early on that there was human-to-human transmission, and helped China suppress that fact.

In any case, even if you think Trump is just as bad as the WHO, that doesn't mean the WHO deserves funding. That would just mean you think both of them suck, right?

Does anyone here think the WHO is anything but a puppet of China?

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The other explanation is that Trump plans to attack Biden as being cozy with China, so he needs to whip up some anti-China sentiment to make that line of attack effective. And he needs to sweep his own long history with China and his dictator love-fest under the rug. It also helps him deflect blame elsewhere.

The WHO, like all of the UN, is a mixed bag. They do good work on some items but have been unduly influenced by some asshole governments to the detriment of their work on other items.

Fuck China. Their attempts to fuck up a lot of the world must be met with a strong, united opposition from all civilized countries. The problem is that Trump has made it worse, not better. Defunding the WHO at this moment is not going to help if the mission is to improve health and the global response to this crisis and everything else they are fighting too (polio, AIDS, ebola, etc.) It's opposed by the CDC and others whose job is fighting the epidemic. It's a move designed to send a message to his base, not actually improve the situation on the ground.

tl;dr: Fuck China, but don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

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The WHO had much more visibility into the whole thing in the early stages than Trump.

When Trump was praising China in early Feb, it was in the same way you praise the work of a shitty co-worker because he has an essential job to do, and you don't want to piss him off and make things worse. This was also before it became clear to the US the full extent that China had been lying, and before they reduced their infection/death reports to near zero (which laughably continues to this day).

Trump had a difficult dance with China at the time. The WHO, on the other hand, has one job, and that's to protect the world's health. They knew early on that there was human-to-human transmission, and helped China suppress that fact.

In any case, even if you think Trump is just as bad as the WHO, that doesn't mean the WHO deserves funding. That would just mean you think both of them suck, right?

Does anyone here think the WHO is anything but a puppet of China?

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my guess is that no one on this board, myself included, have any idea what the WHO does so it might be tough getting a debate going on this point

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When has not knowing what they're talking about ever stopped anyone on the internet?

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The WHO had much more visibility into the whole thing in the early stages than Trump.

When Trump was praising China in early Feb, it was in the same way you praise the work of a shitty co-worker because he has an essential job to do, and you don't want to piss him off and make things worse. This was also before it became clear to the US the full extent that China had been lying, and before they reduced their infection/death reports to near zero (which laughably continues to this day).

Trump had a difficult dance with China at the time. The WHO, on the other hand, has one job, and that's to protect the world's health. They knew early on that there was human-to-human transmission, and helped China suppress that fact.

In any case, even if you think Trump is just as bad as the WHO, that doesn't mean the WHO deserves funding. That would just mean you think both of them suck, right?

Does anyone here think the WHO is anything but a puppet of China?

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Dude seriously.

They're in a tough spot. Sure the WHO should have insisted Taiwan was totally included. But they can't really throw their weight around and upset the apple cart. Damned if they do and damned if they don't.

Obviously Trump is doing this as he wants someone to blame.

Has The World Health Orginisation pandereded to the Chinese?... yeah maybe but you catch more flies with honey then vinegar.

Is the US getting good value for the money? Probably not as it's biased towards helping poor countries.

Not a lot of money though is it?

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Many world organizations including the UN and the IOC have been absolutely disgraceful on the topic of Taiwan.

The US has been weak on it too. If China invaded Taiwan right now I doubt the US would even do anything. Not only under Trump but under any of the past several presidents.

China must be forced to play by the rules of the civilized world if it wants to enjoy the benefits of the civilized world.

WTF? What kind of stupid shit is this? New guy to put on the ignore list.

Yeah, right after all these years, Bill Gates is out to get us, him and evil Dr Fauci.
See, other countries, like So Korea, didn't make science political, that is why they are laughing at us.

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With the exception of the United States government, I would guess the Gates Foundation is the single largest contributor to The WHO, and is extremely involved in their operations.

Whether you think he is right or wrong, Bill Gates is NOT an impartial observer in this process, and should not be treated as such.

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Team retard talking points for Druff to add to his WHO argunent:

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Makes me wonder if Trump knows what the 19 means. +1600 that he does seems about right.

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Same reason Trump took the same line. The economy.

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It wouldn't have to do with the fact that their a Communist Country that does batshit stuff(no pun intended)?

No, no it wouldn't?


Ok then, carry on.

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You're right. It has a lot to do with that, and it's also why Trump, a great admirer of their evil authoritarian system and their dictator, has acted similarly.

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Amazing how Druff projects partisanism onto everyone who disagrees with him, while he has his head so far up Trump's arse he could look out his nostrils. Todd, I preferred you as a sensible moderate. You've become a clown.

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It's also amazing how your country has been pushing fake news stories and igniting tensions as well. Soon the main export of Russia will be misinformation campaigns instead of oil. Its like the Cold War never ended, just took a hiatus.

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You're right about this too. Russia has been trying to undermine public faith in democracy, science and public institutions for decades. It's been one of their main weapons since the USSR collapsed.

So you're right about China and right about Russia. Why can't you see that Trump is playing right into their hands?

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Just about every single Governor in America disagree.

They will continue the lockdown for at least one more month. California and New York? 2021?

The only thing that Trump can do is declare a "national emergency" or "national disaster" and impose martial law.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f4J07tGTo0

So there were no Chinese based american intelligence agents reporting back to America on what was going on?

Also, Druff, how's that trade war with China going?

https://www.freethink.com/videos/coronavirus-research

DirtyErnie: VERM is a science bitch, true story

splitthis: No PhD would post on this forum, some of us with Bachelors are pushing it, but insanity plays.


ive never in my life seen a phd less interested in actually contributing knowledge, its creepy.

his brand for what, four years, was to vibe with druff about HoW LiBtArDs DrOvE HiM OuT Of LoS AnGeLeS and suddenly after 2 months of lockdown/quarantine hes asking for incredibly obscure details about biphasic viral behavior.

-320 hes literally an fbi agent

+135 hes a conservative weirdo with a phd

+465 he's a conservative weirdo with a phd from an actual school that exists in real life

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are you sure about those facts? because the GOP is super sure this is a hoax or perhaps the rapture.

Oh, I see, it was the latest Fox "news" propaganda
& I got outnumbered by Dr's salt & pepper, again.

Why do people on the right always talk like they are thinking for themselves,
then recite Fox "news" BS word for word.
Flying squirrels, useful idiots,
I’ll side vs those two oreo’s all day long.

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Sadly for principled conservatives, such as George Will, Mitt Romney, etc., the reality of why Trump behaves the way he does in response to the COVID-19 threat is that it interferes with his on-going agenda of using his power in office to personally enrich himself and his family, as well as glorify himself, at the expense of anyone of doesn’t help him do so. Just ask the decades-long trail of outside investors, lenders, contractors, subcontractors, and employees, among others, who have been screwed by Trump every which way one could imagine, all the while with Trump somehow coming out financially enriched while others absorbed accumulated losses in the billions of dollars.

Which is why the breadth and scale of Trump’s corrupt acts as President related to the crisis should not be a surprise to anyone with half a brain, including Druff.

https://apple.news/AA4nQIHOMQFCYd4HsymAPiQ

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i bet antifa did something just as awful right druff? yeah, fuckin antifa. i bet they got some of that sweet iran money that obama sent to iran because benghazi. and used to finance things just as insanely awful as this.


definitely.

sonatine is absolutely dominating this thread, so much so that i’m starting to think he should be a PAID poster.

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dumb bitch doesn't even know what the 19 stands for.

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i bet antifa did something just as awful right druff? yeah, fuckin antifa. i bet they got some of that sweet iran money that obama sent to iran because benghazi. and used to finance things just as insanely awful as this.


definitely.

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So what's your point here?

That Antifa aren't the only assholes who block traffic?

Brilliant take.

Or wait... is this supposed to be an indictment of people I support? The Proud Boys are known anti-Semites. I hate them as much as I hate Antifa.

Thanks for helping prove my assertion that only pieces of shit block traffic to make a political point. Also thanks for comparing Antifa to the Proud Boys. I agree. Nice to see we have common ground.

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sonatine is absolutely dominating this thread, so much so that i’m starting to think he should be a PAID poster.

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He'll get a percentage of net profits.

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i bet antifa did something just as awful right druff? yeah, fuckin antifa. i bet they got some of that sweet iran money that obama sent to iran because benghazi. and used to finance things just as insanely awful as this.


definitely.

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white trash acting like white trash.

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How am I unhinged here?

sonatine posted about the Proud Boys blocking traffic, as if that's sort of gotcha to me because I previously bashed Antifa and Black Lives Matter for doing the same thing.

Except the Proud Boys are a bunch of white trash anti-Semites, who clearly aren't people I've ever supported. How exactly was this a burn on my allegiances?

how about you answer my questions 1st before asking me to answer your questions?

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Getting away from the idiotic politicking here....

The deaths in the US spiked up for the last 2 days after trending down for the previous two days.

Unless the data is wrong or delayed, it looks like the last two days have been the worst we've seen, both with over 2400 deaths from 5pm to 5pm PDT.

(This is according to worldometers.)

Now, I realize that this number might simply mean a peak of infections 2-3 weeks ago, but that's still a bit odd because the social distancing started about a month ago,

This could mean one of a few things:

1) The true peak of infections was about a month ago, and there were a lot of people hanging on by a thread for 2 weeks or so, before dying over the past 2 days
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2) The social distancing isn't working as well as we thought
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3) The last two days contain some retroactive reporting of deaths which previously occurred on other days, such as the people found dead in their homes

One good sign, if the numbers are accurate, is that worldometers reports only an increase of 14 "serious/critical" cases in the past 24 hours! That's a bit hard to believe, and maybe there's some error or reporting lag there, but it would be great if the number of serious cases has gone way down. That would mean we will see a hugely reduced death rate by the end of April.

MAGA

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...ostcount=10694

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Getting away from the idiotic politicking here....

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if you removed politics, this whole thread would be 12 pages

ARCpoint Labs is now doing anitbody tests in the US. They claim their test is 97% accurate, which I find hard to believe. The FDA has not yet approved them.

You can do these drive-up test by appointment only. They cost $200 and are not covered by insurance.

https://www.arcpointlabs.com/covid-19-antibody-testing/

They are in several US cities. Google ARCpoint Labs to find out if they are where you live.

I considered doing this, but given that I don't know if I can trust it, what will it really tell me? Even with a positive result, I wouldn't feel emboldened to return to normal life anyway. The $200 doesn't bother me. I would gladly pay $200 to see if I was one of the lucky ones who had it already and didn't know.

Also, it's like 50 miles from me, and while there's probably no traffic (which is a huge factor driving in LA), I think it would end up being a waste of time and money, because I think it's very likely it would come up negative. It's hard to believe that, being 48 and having high blood pressure, I could have had it and not known. I will say that I had that weird sore throat and fatigue combo about 2 weeks ago, and a dry cough last week for 2 days, but it never progressed further either time, and the symptoms vanished. I would be more curious about my girlfriend, who had an unexplained fever.

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Getting away from the idiotic politicking here....

The deaths in the US spiked up for the last 2 days after trending down for the previous two days.

Unless the data is wrong or delayed, it looks like the last two days have been the worst we've seen, both with over 2400 deaths from 5pm to 5pm PDT.

(This is according to worldometers.)

Now, I realize that this number might simply mean a peak of infections 2-3 weeks ago, but that's still a bit odd because the social distancing started about a month ago,

This could mean one of a few things:

1) The true peak of infections was about a month ago, and there were a lot of people hanging on by a thread for 2 weeks or so, before dying over the past 2 days
-or-
2) The social distancing isn't working as well as we thought
-or-
3) The last two days contain some retroactive reporting of deaths which previously occurred on other days, such as the people found dead in their homes

One good sign, if the numbers are accurate, is that worldometers reports only an increase of 14 "serious/critical" cases in the past 24 hours! That's a bit hard to believe, and maybe there's some error or reporting lag there, but it would be great if the number of serious cases has gone way down. That would mean we will see a hugely reduced death rate by the end of April.

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Nearly 4,000 deaths that occurred in homes have not been added yet.
These deaths are just in NY, I'm sure there's a load more from other places that have not been reported.

Before cv19 NYC averaged 20 people per day dying at home . After cv19 they're averaging 200.


Prob just a coincidence

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Before cv19 NYC averaged 20 people per day dying at home . After cv19 they're averaging 200.


Prob just a coincidence

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Okay?

I hope you realize I was never one of the people denying the seriousness or the deadliness of COVID-19. You won't find any of that from me in the entire thread. That's why I quit Commerce in late January, despite being on a very good run there.

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does he really have a phd?

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Probably not.

He really wants us to think he does though.

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Feel free to think whatever you want.

has anyone seen a chart mapping the actual death rates in the US or specific states or cities in 2018, 2019 and 2020?

i'm curious how many more deaths we're seeing because of this virus but i haven't been able to find that info online