President 2016

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Originally Posted by FPS_Russia

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Originally Posted by blake

honestly, every single bernie sanders supporter absolutely loves warren. any hope that trump had of taking bernie voters would probably end if she was the VP pick, although i imagine picking someone from ohio or florida would make sense too

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Not quite, I think she's a too passive, a pushover and will never be presidential. So stop it with all this Warren BS. The financial crooks and their shills probably got emails to each other to "act scared of Elizabeth Warren, maybe we can trick em into picking her" insert evil laugh.

Russ Feingold's the man for the job. He's polling 5% or so ahead of some dipshit Republican in the Wisconsin Senate race. After he wins there I expect him to pick up all the Bernie voters and take the White House in 2020.
Like Bernie he's the real deal so the establishment in both parties prefer to ignore him. Russ needs your support.

If there wasn't voter fraud and an incredibly rigged system in place for Hillary. Bernie would of kicked her and her ringer Trump's ass with moderate ease. Who invites total strangers to their wedding? Chelsea and Ivanka were BFF. Both big players in NY. That Rense vid has me thinking Trump may be a Clinton ringer just like Perot and Dole. Clinton Modus Operandi.

EVERYONE knows the FBI has enough to indict Hillary for mishandling classified info. They need to quit stalling and let us sort out this Biden or Bernie mess, however unlikely.

Feingold 2020

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FPS, let me preface what I'm about to say by this: I badly wanted Bernie to trounce Clinton in the Cali primary, and following that blowout, win Clinton's superdelegates over to backing him based on his superior electability. But it didn't happen.

Now, in response to what you say here:

(1) Warren has been roundly attack-dogging Trump for about a month now. She has demonstrated her chops to take on the role, with vigor, for Team Hillary in the upcoming general election.

(2) Re Warren versus Feingold as progressive-wing leader: Feingold is, unfortunately for his fans, past his political prime. The press doesn't care about him, *and* he is waaaaaay too verbally meek in the heat of media-dominated political promotion. So, he really isn't even close at this juncture to being as useful for the Dem ticket this election cycle.

Perhaps Feingold will resurrect his national political relevance sometime in the future, but this time around, he would at best draw a few hardcore progressives out to the polls who would otherwise idealistically rail (at home) against Clinton's cynical recruitment of Warren to provide some cover for her otherwise wholesale embrace of unlimited campaign contributions.

I'm not surprised you're a Pocahontas supporter. I think for myself and you think what the media tells you to think.
If you can't see from her body language and smile that she's just happy to be one of the important cool kids and will do whatever to stay then you can't make solid reads on people
Warren's a laughable joke. So obv. she's corruptible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVxQ9B4pVWk

Here's Russ standing all by his lonesome on principle. No fanfare no favorable endorsements or media coverage, no bricks of cash or political favors for Russ. A Koch funded super pac took out Russ with lies but Bernie laid the groundwork for just a candidate and the people to crush. Paybacks a motherfucker, I can think of no one else who's totally legit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-gS3jKshgE
GTFO with this Liz Warren bs. We can't afford to keep getting hustled.
Mark my words Feingold 2020

Marion Berry 2020

"Another neocon endorses Clinton, calling her “2016’s real conservative” and “the candidate of the status quo”
https://www.salon.com/2016/06/10/ano...he_status_quo/
"Wall Street has thrown its weight behind Hillary Clinton. Some of the biggest names in the U.S. right-wing establishment have also expressed support for her.

Another neocon added his name to the pro-Clinton list on Thursday. James Kirchick penned an op-ed in The Daily Beast titled “Hillary Clinton Is 2016’s Real Conservative — Not Donald Trump.”

They're being forced to state the obv. Hillary's a hardcore Republican. Don't kid yourself guys, Druff loves him some pantsuit .

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Originally Posted by FPS_Russia

"Another neocon endorses Clinton, calling her “2016’s real conservative” and “the candidate of the status quo”
https://www.salon.com/2016/06/10/ano...he_status_quo/
"Wall Street has thrown its weight behind Hillary Clinton. Some of the biggest names in the U.S. right-wing establishment have also expressed support for her.

Another neocon added his name to the pro-Clinton list on Thursday. James Kirchick penned an op-ed in The Daily Beast titled “Hillary Clinton Is 2016’s Real Conservative — Not Donald Trump.”

They're being forced to state the obv. Hillary's a hardcore Republican. Don't kid yourself guys, Druff loves him some pantsuit .

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Totally agree with you on this point re Hillary's neocon tendencies. She isn't as bad as Dubya regarding militarism. In 2009, she vigorously sided with the military brass to send many more troops to Afghanistan, against the advise of the two most knowledgable-about-the-region members of Obama's admin at the time (Joe Biden and Richard Holbrooke). What a clusterfuck of many more dead US service members that decision cost!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9zhzR1ll7Q

Im hoping Gallo sees this and watches it through its entirety. It has some very good information.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuiW_Jagl4U

Yet another Hillary scandal has been unearthed.

This one is being reported by ABC News, so don't blame it on a right wing hatchet job at Fox News or Breitbart.

Rajiv K. Fernando was a prolific Democratic candidate donor, who gave a shitload of money to the the Clintons over the years.

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He was an early supporter of Hillary Clinton's 2008 bid for president, giving maximum contributions to her campaign, and to HillPAC, in 2007 and 2008. He also served as a fundraising bundler for Clinton, gathering more than $100,000 from others for her White House bid.

Prior to his State Department appointment, Fernando had given between $100,000 and $250,000 to the William J. Clinton Foundation, and another $30,000 to a political advocacy group, WomenCount, that indirectly helped Hillary Clinton retire her lingering 2008 campaign debts by renting her campaign email list.

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In 2011, Rajiv Fernando suddenly appeared on a sensitive government intelligence advisory board. He had no qualifications to be there. Rajiv was an expert in computer-generated stock trading, but this security board had nothing to do with that. This security board's focus was nuclear weapons and risk of their use by Russia and Pakistan.

Everyone was perplexed how Rajiv got there. This was a sensitive board with access to some of the most secret information, and an outsider with zero expertise on the matter was plopped in there.

The answer as to how Rajiv got there was revealed in recently obtained State Department e-mails:

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The newly released emails reveal that after ABC News started asking questions in August 2011, a State Department official who worked with the advisory board couldn’t immediately come up with a justification for Fernando serving on the panel. His and other emails make repeated references to “S”; ABC News has been told this is a common way to refer to the Secretary of State.

“The true answer is simply that S staff (Cheryl Mills) added him,” wrote Wade Boese, who was Chief of Staff for the Office of the Under Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security, in an email to Mannina, the press aide. “Raj was not on the list sent to S; he was added at their insistence.”

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http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politic..._lf_160608.jpg

http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politic..._lf_160608.jpg

The e-mails also reveal how they attempted to "protect the name" of Hillary and to "stall" the ABC News reporter.

Rajiv resigned for a bullshit reason ("he needs to devote more time to his business" LOL) when ABC News would not quit digging.

Here are all the e-mails, in case you want to read them: http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politic...ils_160810.pdf

The story is 5 years old, but it's coming up now because the internal e-mails about the matter were just obtained, and they give an interesting look into what was really going on.

Don't think that Rajiv isn't grateful:

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And he continued to donate to Democrats, and to Clinton. He emerged as one of the first “bundlers” to raise money for Clinton’s 2016 bid. And in July 2015, he hosted a fundraiser for Clinton at his Chicago home. Fernando has also continued to donate to the Clinton Foundation. He now is listed on the charity’s website as having given between $1 million and $5 million.

About six months after Fernando resigned from the State Department advisory board, he was invited to attend a White House State Dinner, honoring the British Prime Minister. And this summer Fernando will serve as a super delegate at the Democratic National Convention. According to Chicago media reports, he has committed to supporting Clinton.

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Cliffs: Some foreign-policy-loving computer stock trading geek bought his way onto a secret government security board via "donations" to Hillary. ABC News found out and started trying to investigate. Cinton's people threw up roadblocks, and finally had the dude resign when this didn't work.

This isn't right-wing conspiracy garbage.

This really happened, and this type of thing will become the norm once the Clintons are back in the White House.

I imagine they owe a lot of favors to a lot of people by now.

Yeahhhh but lets be real; thats basically a dewdrop in the ocean compared to what Cheney pulled tho.

The truth is, quid pro quo shit like that is just how the machine works.

Would suck if someone donated a ton of money to the Clinton's so they could get an Ambassadorship to Libya.

Like honestly if you told me tomorrow they busted the guy for espionage and the Clinton's fled to Beijing, I wouldnt really be shocked. I just dont give a fuck about their criminality and corruption if they maintain basic human rights, dont tank the dollar, and make a real solid effort and keeping us from growing extinct.

She's just way too much Mary Tudor for me. All these assholes have historical archetypes and Bloody Mary is about the gist of HRC. Pretty cool if you're on her payroll, but even 1 or 2 steps from the castle and you're most likely marked for elimination sometime before you were due to go.

Honestly I feel the same way but Im just like thats showbiz folks.

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Originally Posted by sonatine

Like honestly if you told me tomorrow they busted the guy for espionage and the Clinton's fled to Beijing, I wouldnt really be shocked. I just dont give a fuck about their criminality and corruption if they maintain basic human rights, dont tank the dollar, and make a real solid effort and keeping us from growing extinct.

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And keep the GOPers from completely taking away a woman's control over her uterus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJZ8_ieejXY#t=4.663125

A littled dated, but worth it.

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Originally Posted by DRK Star

Im hoping Gallo sees this and watches it through its entirety. It has some very good information.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuiW_Jagl4U

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I watched it, and now I'm done watching videos you post. I can't understand how fucking gullible you are when it comes to Trump. That was terrible. You are on a direct path to believing in lizard people and the illuminati. You are honestly using their type of "logic." They also think they are being reasonable and following facts. Videos like that make you dumber. Be honest with me, you've come across some lizard people videos and you're starting to slowly agree with just "some" theories.

Im trying to understand your logic, G.


He has shown maybe 25 years of consistency. He has also changed his mind on a few viewpoints, Im sure. This is always funny to me. People will bitch at someone for "Flip Flopping", but then spend hours and hours trying to convince someone to change their mind. If, for any reason, you change your mind because you are open minded, and willing to see other viewpoints, and now make more of an educated decision based on further info, you are somehow called a Flip Flopper. Its hilarious. If you are going to take the time to bitch at someone and try to "educate them", why do you get upset with them if they change their mind?.....otherwise, what was the fucking point of you lecturing to them?


Is he doing a Hillary, where she doesnt discuss facts, but rather give you the old IMAGINE routine? "Imagine what a world with Trump would be....<insert hypothetical scenarious, based on fear and little proof>

so, Trump made tons of excellent points in that video. He made comments that he can actually prove with stats and evidence, yet, in YOUR opinion, (which is obviously NOT his), anyone who believes in what Trump is saying is either nuts or believes in the illuminatti.

....but WE are the crazy ones....



"I am right!....you are all wrong if you disagree!"

~ Half the liberals I actually know

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Originally Posted by DRK Star

Im trying to understand your logic, G.


He has shown maybe 25 years of consistency. He has also changed his mind on a few viewpoints, Im sure. This is always funny to me. People will bitch at someone for "Flip Flopping", but then spend hours and hours trying to convince someone to change their mind. If, for any reason, you change your mind because you are open minded, and willing to see other viewpoints, and now make more of an educated decision based on further info, you are somehow called a Flip Flopper. Its hilarious. If you are going to take the time to bitch at someone and try to "educate them", why do you get upset with them if they change their mind?.....otherwise, what was the fucking point of you lecturing to them?


Is he doing a Hillary, where she doesnt discuss facts, but rather give you the old IMAGINE routine? "Imagine what a world with Trump would be....<insert hypothetical scenarious, based on fear and little proof>

so, Trump made tons of excellent points in that video. He made comments that he can actually prove with stats and evidence, yet, in YOUR opinion, (which is obviously NOT his), anyone who believes in what Trump is saying is either nuts or believes in the illuminatti.

....but WE are the crazy ones....



"I am right!....you are all wrong if you disagree!"

~ Half the liberals I actually know

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Keep convincing yourself that liberals are the problem and not that this man is terrible. There is no point to discuss this with you. I could dissect everything he said and then show you how in his personal business dealings he does the exact opposite of what he says is best. Obviously, he has some good points about the economy and a few things, the man is not a complete moron, but he is still an awful human being. I'm the one that told you that many times people change their minds on stuff and that we call that learning. Kindly, don't make it seem like I would be against him changing his mind on stuff.

I've shown you time and time again people much smarter than you and I who completely disagree with you. You are impregnable to logic on this topic. You continuously make yourself look foolish and are so deep down the rabbit hole that you don't realize it. You are showing videos from youtube where they are trying to take the best things he has ever said and cutting out all the moronic, bigoted, racist, sexist shit he's said just over the last 8 months.

That is what you are using for arguments now, youtube videos with cherry picked statements... Everyday I think you can't possibly get any worse... then you do

I have an idea for you, G.


Rather than you tell us how stupid we and our candidates are, why don't you show us why you are choosing your candidate? Discuss the reasons why you feel they will make a good leader. I don't recall seeing anything like that from you....only you and others bashing Trump.

I'm looking forward to seeing this.

Thanks