Sad to see. Unfortunately, if you're dumb enough to fall for this scam you might be beyond saving.Quote:
Originally Posted by Forum Wars
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Sad to see. Unfortunately, if you're dumb enough to fall for this scam you might be beyond saving.Quote:
Originally Posted by Forum Wars
Absolutely disgusting at every level. My opinion of my two favorite casinos the Cosmo & Bellagio just went down the shitter. This is really tough to watch and clearly something went wrong towards the end of the video. Either one or both didn’t pay him and they obviously started losing. I am going to get these videos to the Cosmo & Bellagio this is just slimy af.Quote:
Originally Posted by Forum Wars
Christopher don’t you know to make sure they leave the $1,000 on the night table before you fuck them? I think my boy Gary said fuck off when Chris asked for the grand. Things definitely changed quickly and I’m guessing things went downhill fast and that’s why the recording stopped. Would love to find this guy Gary. If you find this forum Gary let us know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Forum Wars
I, like the shrink, cant stop watching this shit...it's pure gold...
watching the gary and lucy video right now and am halfway through so maybe things will become clearer...
it's obviously a scam, but my questions are this:
1. are they actually winning this frequently? doesn't seem likely...
2. and if not, how is he getting other people to lie for him that his baccarat winning strategy is working?
I mean it's easy enough for him to lie about winning 97% of the time, but how is he getting his marks to lie for him? doesn't seem like the type of dude that would pay people a few hundo to give live testimonials about how this system works...
I'll give you my thoughts on this but you got to see the abrupt end to this video and his change in demeanor. Things went sour that's for sure and at least one of them didn't pay. One thing for sure from the Rick Lee video where Rick says he paid $2500 when in actuality he only paid $1,000. So he sometimes says just say you paid me this much and I’ll give you a discount or whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by GambleBotsChafedPenis
The way this video ended I’m guessing they ended up losing and CM still asked for his grand and didn’t get it from at least one of them. Then he looks like a sad little puppy telling people they need to pay upfront which is actually good because of the paper trail.
yeah just got to the end of the video...holy shit demeanor change...lol...Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffDimeI'll give you my thoughts on this but you got to see the abrupt end to this video and his change in demeanor. Things went sour that's for sure and at least one of them didn't pay. One thing for sure from the Rick Lee video where Rick says he paid $2500 when in actuality he only paid $1,000. So he sometimes says just say you paid me this much and I’ll give you a discount or whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by GambleBotsChafedPenis
The way this video ended I’m guessing they ended up losing and CM still asked for his grand and didn’t get it from at least one of them. Then he looks like a sad little puppy telling people they need to pay upfront which is actually good because of the paper trail.
I haven't watched every video, just cherry picked a few but it seems like it's gone from:
1. pay me $2,500 up front for coaching...
2. then like a week ago it was, 'im not a scammer, you can come and play with me and ill just take 10% of the profits'...get on my calendar now!
3. now it's, 'fuck all of you, it's now $1,000 up front to get on my calendar'...
pure gold...although it actually does give me a fucking headache because if you have any idea how the casino industry works you know that they're only giving that kinda treatment to guys who are dumping LARGE...
one more thing...HAAAAAAAAAAAAI CHRISTOPHER!!!! :D
He clearly is getting crowds as he complains at the end of the video that him playing baccarat is “not a circus”. He blamed the big loss with Rick Lee in Biloxi in February over not being able to concentrate. I bet he did the same thing this time. So Christopher Mitchell is complaining that others are turning his gambling into a circus?
:lol2
Did Gary do my short work for me? the mitchell's sure like getting black eyes
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Ohhhh fuck good eye KD! That really explains the change in demeanor. I need a stronger pair of glasses I fucking missed that. Maybe he did man. I would really like to get the full story here. Shit def went down. That wasn’t there in the rest of the video. We need to find Gary!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dustin Mc
I certainly don’t want violence as a resolution. But if Gary lost and said he wasn’t paying than Christopher should of been like “all good man”. I sure as hell wouldn’t of pushed the issue.
The retards who still believe him can't sense his desperation to try to lock in people retarded enough to pay him $1000......He whines "my time is so valuable, I have a wife and son who needs me too........ yet the fat little bi sexual midget says he's retired, drags his wife and kid to casinos with him, has no friends and spends all day with them, all of a sudden his time is valuable
Druff, pass the word on to people to report CM to casino security teams whenever they visit casinos saying he was in lobby soliciting and harassing them to buy his 1 on $1000 coaching so they can put them in their database..........MGM security manager said that's the quickestthat's the quickest way to get action taken on him and have him kicked out
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Originally Posted by JeffDimeOhhhh fuck good eye KD! That really explains the change in demeanor. I need a stronger pair of glasses I fucking missed that. Maybe he did man. I would really like to get the full story here. Shit def went down. That wasn’t there in the rest of the video. We need to find Gary!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dustin Mc
I certainly don’t want violence as a resolution. But if Gary lost and said he wasn’t paying than Christopher should of been like “all good man”. I sure as hell wouldn’t of pushed the issue.
Yep, no good byes, no was awesome time, no "happy ending" from lucy pun intended.....the abrupt ending, then typical end of video pan handling...... we have people in Vegas on the lookout for him, so the Circus hasn't even started yet
His profits are coincidently always around $1100, its so uncanny......... checklist 1) heading to casino 2) walking into high limit room 3) just left high limit room and won $1100 4) heres out meal 5) heres what casino looks like 6) come pay me $1000 for 1 on 1 coaching and free dvd's of my gay porn movies
My guess is he has between 5-10K left that’s about it. So this way he can keep showing like 6K-7K worth of chips. Really dumb of him to shoot three days in the Bellagio and bring “clients” on the third day. If he had half a brain he would of stuck to the shittier casinos. The Bellagio is not going to tolerate his shit for long and that will include all MGM properties.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dustin Mc
BTW a lot of guests on this thread today. Wonder who it could be?
The Bellagio is comping Stacy $1,000 in the salon & Christopher a $600 Dinner at Prime out of respect for him continuously coming into the high limit room and never losing once. They just figured they would just throw that stuff on top of the 5 figures he’s already up there since re-opening. That’s how it works when you’re a professional gambler according to Christopher Mitchell.
:lol2
Editorial- Christopher I don’t wish you or your family any harm. I just want you to stop ripping people off. Ordinarily I would never kick a man when he’s down but you have made a living taking advantage of vulnerable people who didn’t know better. So I don’t choose to give that courtesy to you today.
No final numbers at all that? That must be a first. Can’t for the life of me figure why?
:wat
We agree to disagree, cause I hope that mofo burns in hellQuote:
Editorial- Christopher I don’t wish you or your family any harm. I just want you to stop ripping people off. Ordinarily I would never kick a man when he’s down but you have made a living taking advantage of vulnerable people who didn’t know better. So I don’t choose to give that courtesy to you today.
imo, Gary Gave CM a black eye..i saw it straight away as his eyes are outta whack..
Lucky thats all he got.. Hard to be,ieve Bellagio and Cosmo tolerate this.
If so, I think it’s safe to say we won’t be seeing a video of CM trashing Gary like he did with Rick Lee.Quote:
Originally Posted by shoeshine box
Why the fuck would he do a vid with a black eye? Desperate for the $1k from everyone who had a reservation with him is my guess. What a hack job he is.
He really hates to leave shit on the cutting room floor. I’m speculating but 1) He’s dumb 2) Most likely to salvage the relationship with Lucy as there was not enough footage with her alone (she’s a live one) 3)Too many eyes on him so he had to put something out 4) My best guess is they lost their asses later and he really does need to raise funds.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamGreek
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Originally Posted by IamGreek
was wondering the same thing. why not wait until the next morning, put on some makeup, change the lighting, etc. but the answer may be in how sluggish he seemed, almost like he was on a depressant, but not alcohol. apart from stupidity, and i don't think he's stupid, i can't figure out why on an otherwise well composed video he would include that part as it changes the entire complexion of the 20 minute video. It also makes him look desperate the way he focuses on getting the $1k upfront. When i looked it again his hat does seem to be shading his eye making it appear more dark, but there again, his eyes look way off.
also, his host didn't comp him any of that. he charged it to his room - which begs the question why did he have a room if he wasn't staying there. if he were just doing drop in play and wanted a comp to Prime his host would just call it down. he had the same room for a couple of days, but didn't say anything to us about it in the video and instead went back home and the Red Rock twice at least.
and lastly, there is NO WAY he got his wife's spa treatment for $1000 comped. None. Even if he lost $30k there before the Covid, no chance unless he was losing 50k on this trip, which he doesn't have anymore if he ever did.
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Originally Posted by TellafriendQuote:
Originally Posted by IamGreek
was wondering the same thing. why not wait until the next morning, put on some makeup, change the lighting, etc. but the answer may be in how sluggish he seemed, almost like he was on a depressant, but not alcohol. apart from stupidity, and i don't think he's stupid, i can't figure out why on an otherwise well composed video he would include that part as it changes the entire complexion of the 20 minute video. It also makes him look desperate the way he focuses on getting the $1k upfront. When i looked it again his hat does seem to be shading his eye making it appear more dark, but there again, his eyes look way off.
also, his host didn't comp him any of that. he charged it to his room - which begs the question why did he have a room if he wasn't staying there. if he were just doing drop in play and wanted a comp to Prime his host would just call it down. he had the same room for a couple of days, but didn't say anything to us about it in the video and instead went back home and the Red Rock twice at least.
and lastly, there is NO WAY he got his wife's spa treatment for $1000 comped. None. Even if he lost $30k there before the Covid, no chance unless he was losing 50k on this trip, which he doesn't have anymore if he ever did.
I’m in no way normal but I would stay on the strip if I had a 3 or 4 day promo in a nice hotel Cosmo/Bellagio/Paris even when I was renting a place in Henderson. I am guessing he got the room because he had “clients” coming out there. He never got camera time up there but it makes sense the way he presents himself to have a room at the Bellagio if and when he has a live one coming like Lucy. It can serve to be both part of the theatrics and practical.
It’s so hard to separate what’s real and what’s not in his videos. Even the stuff that’s mostly true he will spin to make sound just a little better. You are right no way is he getting all that comped. If you take a moderate loss like 10K at the Bellagio in most cases they will take about $280 off room charges a day if you are there for a reasonable amount of time. In my post I was more remarking on his cluelessness when he brags about the comps as “that’s how they treat professional gamblers” when it’s just the opposite and that’s how they treat big time donators. As for what he’s down and what he’s getting comped I don’t know for sure. That stuff is put on the bill and the host will make that determination at checkout.
I will disagree with you a little. He is a little stupid. Not sure where his IQ would be but my guess is a little bit below average. He also has a huge lack of impulse control. This is evident by all the videos he made in response to KD which he ended up deleting. I can’t be sure why he ended the video looking so pathetic. I think he was upset and getting desperate and I don’t give him much credit for really thinking this shit out. I think he believes he can fix almost any mistake he makes with most of his marks.
really good point on the spa trip shit...didn't think about that...you are way more versed in that shit than I am in remembering what kinda players we gave that too at the evil empire...but it makes sense that the progression of comps would be room >> smallish meal >>> regular non-fancy meal >>>>>>>> fancy meals >>>>>>>>>>>>>> spa trips/other amenities >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> refunds on lossesQuote:
Originally Posted by Tellafriend
Again, it is so hard to separate fact from fiction it’s all sort of melted together in this big chunk of shit that is the “Change your life Vlog”. I suppose it depends on each mark and the way the interaction goes. The short answer is no they are not winning that much as I suppose with most of the marks there is quite a bit of staging. This can be arranged with a simple statement like “You know I usually charge $2500 for my coaching and since I am giving you a break and charging you X can you do me a favor and say we won a little more? It just has to be between us”. “It will be good for the channel and you will look like a winner”. Voila! Maybe I should become a Baccarat scammer. LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by GambleBotsChafedPenis
Here are two unique situations the first being completely staged and the second being mostly genuine.
Lily looks like she is being held hostage. He’s clearly feeding her lines and asking her leading questions. Maybe he gave her $50 bucks or something but this is total bullshit. I would be really shocked if my read is wrong on this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLmjTHSCZIA&t=351s
This is our buddy William. For the most part this interaction seems genuine. I hope he wasn’t charged $2500 but I fear he may have been. You see William was genuinely nervous and tries to chime in over CM never shutting the fuck up. Scammer’s excuse for not making William more was the COVID. Spring for an Uber when you are hotel hopping you cheap bastard Christopher especially when the hotels are closing at any second.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJbVOQM0f7g&t=125s
When we are talking about the volatility of the martingale this is one of the reasons he abandoned the “50% of winnings” and instead is trying to get this 1K flat fee. If he was just getting a percentage and the mark had 3K Christopher had no choice but to be ultra aggressive in order to make that grand for himself with the martingale. If he gets the grand upfront he will martingale at a lower base starting point and just try to show the mark some profit as he has no incentive to press his luck as he already made his grand.
The Rick Lee situation (as chronicled on my radio show, and on Kevin's videos) answers this well.Quote:
Originally Posted by GambleBotsChafedPenis
One perfect feature for scammers about Martingale is that it wins a little most of the time, and loses huge occasionally. Even though this adds up to losing overall (and has huge variance), it's ideal if you're trying to generate testimonials from "winning customers".
Take this hypothetical Martingale situation with 6 coaching customers:
Customer A: Wins $1600
Customer B: Wins $3100
Customer C: Wins $800
Customer D: Wins $1700
Customer E: Wins $2700
Customer F: Loses $15,000
Six coaching customers, five of them win. Overall they lose badly, but 5 of the 6 walks away with a moderate profit, while Customer F took a devastating loss bigger than those other people's wins combined.
If you're Christopher, you make videos with everyone (even the losing one in case the person comes back to win that session), and then only publish the five winners.
Remember, we wouldn't be seeing Gary or Lucy if they had lost. We'd simply never know they hired Christopher, or even that they exist.
Back to Rick Lee.
He reported that Chirstopher's claim about him winning $8000 during their first coaching session was correct, and another video where Rick won like $6000 was also accurate.
However, Christopher caused him to lose $15,000 in Biloxi (and Christopher himself lost $36k), and only made a video admitting it because there were multiple witnesses to it.
When Christopher had another session after Biloxi with Rick back in Vegas, Rick says he lost another $10k. Notice there's no video about that one.
In fact, the only two "losing" videos by Christopher were made because there were witnesses to it. One was the infamous Biloxi trip, and the other was in Sycuan recently, once Christopher became aware that Kevin had someone recording him.
Also, they are WAY underrolled to be starting with $200 as a base bet. That's a surefire trip to disaster, as you are fairly likely to lose 6 times in a row at some point during 50 baccarat or blackjack hands played.
It also saddens me to see that Lucy video, because you can tell that Lucy is a sweet-but-naive little old foreign lady, who is being hoodwinked of her savings by this con artist.
If Lucy plays this strategy for any length of time -- with or without Christopher there -- she will lose a lot of money.
I really hate when scammers prey upon the elderly. So disgusting to watch.
I agree about Lucy Druff I am hoping she is the one who stiffed him. Something I noticed about Gary. He never shows any chips or scorecards he just flashes cash in the beginning of the video in a matter where you can not see the depth and it seems well short of 5K. CM also mentions Gary is from Ohio where CM is from. Gary seems unusually comfortable and when he’s asked questions about the gambling and how easy it is he lays it on pretty thick. It’s almost like he’s about to laugh in some parts. I think Gary may know Chris and is acting like a pseudo bodyguard for him. I know this is far fetched but it’s a feeling I got watching the video again.
Listen to Gary lay it on real thick at 13:30. Doesn’t seem like he’s being truthful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsO9srWqZks&t=822s
I guess time will tell. They have an extra bedroom in their rental so I won’t be surprised to see Gary again.
I am also very suspicious that CM and Lucy slipped the 6K of chips at the Cosmo to the other at both 3:30 and 19:30. It appears at 3:30 that the chips are not placed on her scorecard until his camera pans over to her. At 19:30 you can catch him side eye to see if the chip transfer was completed before moving the camera. I’m thinking this whole thing maybe an infomercial.
Editorial - This is what happens when you over analyze I came up with a whole second theory. Time for bed. The first instinct almost always right. I thought too long wish someone called clock.
Yeah the end of that Lucy/Gary video was suuuuuuuuuuuuper weird.
I know you guys have already mentioned it, but to put it all together:
1) No "goodbye" or summing up what a successful trip it was (100% this would have been done if they overall had a great experience)
2) Weird black eye which wasn't there before
3) Total "downer" mood which he claimed was tiredness, but I doubt it
4) No total win or loss stated for either customer
5) Weird speech about having to pay the $1000 up front in the future
#5 is bigger than you think. Clearly something happened to make him state this for the first time ever.
Reminds me of a guy I knew in the '80s who ran an Italian restaurant in Mammoth. One day he became obsessed with "no separate checks at the same table", as if it became a religious belief. First it was a sign in the lobby. Then it was printed big on the menu near the bottom. Then he actually put it in his ads in the newspaper! LOL!
Turned out that this all spawned from a huge argument where a large party wanted the checks split several ways, he didn't want to do it, and a big standoff occurred where the people refused to pay until the checks were separated (and done accurately). The owner reluctantly backed down and did it, but swore he would make the "no separate checks" super clear in the future, and went overboard in doing so. To this day, that's the first and only time I've seen "no separate checks -- don't ask!" in an advertisement for a restaurant!
Getting back to Christopher, it really does look like Gary lost at the end, refused to pay for the wonderful "coaching", and Christopher was furious. Perhaps the black eye came from a physical fight breaking out as a result. Perhaps it came from a loud altercation about it where Christopher was forcefully ejected by security. Notice that Christopher doesn't say at the end that he will be seeing Gary or Lucy again.
Anyway, something happened. We do have to find Gary.
Jeff, you might be right about Gary being an actor here. Though that wouldn't explain the black eye.
I still think we would have seen just Gary giving his total (without Lucy) if he was in on the whole thing. They could have made some BS excuse that Lucy left early or whatever.
I think if somehow this second theory has legs that they must have had some disagreement and that’s why he’s not there at the end. Obviously this turned into a shit tornado at some point. Would love to get the real story. Gary I’ll send you $100 if you give up the story.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Great summary Druff. I do think it is possible that asking for the $1,000 up front doesn’t necessarily mean he was stiffed in this video although that would make a lot of sense. It’s hard to put the pieces together without knowing exactly what went down. I think he is frustrated and is getting the run around from a lot of his followers. He is really threatening them saying “Consider yourself deleted if you don’t send the $1,000 up front”.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Let’s face it with the pandemic, a lot of his followers desperate & broke and “Operation Christopher Mitchell Scams Las Vegas“ not exactly going swimmingly you can see his frustration growing and growing. Kevin’s got eyes on him, he’s put so much time into this scam and he apparently got the seed money from his old lady liquidating her 401K. Not to mention our efforts here and you covering it on the radio. He’s turning up the heat on his followers hoping to raise some dough. (If any followers are here do not send the money up front he will coach you when you get there regardless)
No offense, but you guys sound like fools trying to guess anything about CM. Bottomline is he's a 1000% Bullshitter. He knows NOTHING about gambling. In his 5th grade IQ book he wrote and interview in that gay porn where both times he talks about wanting to be an actor, rich and famous. He's a piece of fucking scum of the Earth and that motherfucker better not let me see him when I'm in Vegas. He can't even keep track of of his lies he tells everyday and when caught just plays it off like the fucking retarded coke addict, steroid junkie he is.......Christopher, I think I said this before, but you know what's great about being an Ex drug dealer? theres crazy drug addicts willing to do ANYTHING you want them to do. You know all to well about being a drug addict, you coke head piece of shit. You better not have any drugs in your system if I ever see you, cause its easy open shut self defense case when a crack head like you was trying to rob me for his drug addiction. I'll ALWAYS be 3 steps ahead of you kid and don't think just because DCF hasn't shown up yet doesn't mean we haven't gotten their ears yet. That knock at your door soon could be DCF? Some people looking for pay back against you? Me? all the above? you just never know what I'm capable of
KD come on give us a break. It was a very peculiar video so what does it matter if we speculate on it. It’s human nature. Ease up man. We know who he is none of this mitigates anything. Give us a break man. It engaged a lot of people and you can see the footage bothered them. Let us be human beings man. Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dustin Mc
Yea, I meant to say if anyone gives him an ounce of credit of truth or smarts sounds foolish..........Anyway, I'm just waking up and just got the low down what happened. IDK the Gary story but my friend had nice story time with Lucy. So just by Lucy's accounts, I'm guessing Gary was 1 pissed off mofo. If any of your met her, he said you'd all want to go kick in CM's door right now. The sweetest lady he said you could ever meet. She's been playing all by herself yesterday and today. Stay tunedQuote:
Originally Posted by JeffDimeKD come on give us a break. It was a very peculiar video so what does it matter if we speculate on it. It’s human nature. Ease up man. We know who he is none of this mitigates anything. Give us a break man. It engaged a lot of people and you can see the footage bothered them. Let us be human beings man. Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dustin Mc
This is poor Lucy by herself......why isnt CM with her? lets just say I'm sure she's doing better by herself
It honestly makes me want to fly out there right now. Thanks for the info KD. Glad Lucy is doing better. If he did wrong by her it makes me so angry and sad at the same time. Please share whatever info you can. This guy needs to be stopped.
To all you Vegas people and have interest in this. If you have any connections to any employees in casinos, we need your help to just get them involved in getting CM in their security team's database. I have resources, but why should it just be my resources doing everything. This man is ruining lives of unsuspecting elderly, foreigners and you kids in early 20's still wet behind the ears. If that alone doesn't want you to help, then WTF voice your complaints here and not want to try to help, no matter the amount you can, even if you can. It only takes 1 snowflake to start an avalance
Bro, you need to change yourt title to add Youtube Baccarat Scammer before his name. Also, change it to never pay him anything, not pay him up frontQuote:
Originally Posted by JeffDime
Thanks man. My third one and I got no idea what I'm doing. I reached out to two people at Cosmo middle management and up but won't say their titles to protect their identities. One heard of him and one didn't. Hopefully it makes it way up the chain. The other possible contacts are going to be hosts and this is not something they want on their plate unfortunately. If I was there I would be asking to speak to the head of security at every property. By the way my thinking was strategic to be the specific argument to never pay in advance. I focused on that to not conflate my argument. If they send him money it’s gone forever basically. My argument being even if after all this, if you are still somehow a believer there is still no reason to ever pay him in advance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dustin McBro, you need to change yourt title to add Youtube Baccarat Scammer before his name. Also, change it to never pay him anything, not pay him up frontQuote:
Originally Posted by JeffDime