like really, i feel like we are only talking about this because cody caught retarded and flipped for rolls HU with tj.
dj doesnt seem prone to stupidity or hubris.
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like really, i feel like we are only talking about this because cody caught retarded and flipped for rolls HU with tj.
dj doesnt seem prone to stupidity or hubris.
DJ has improved a lot since his fight with Cruz. I like TJ in that fight, I think he wrestle fucks him to a decision. You might be right though, I wouldn't bet on the fight. DJ is much faster and smart as hell. DJ is also a very small 125lber. He could easily fight at 115 if there was a decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Garbrandt always stands in the pocket and throws bombs, this last fight may help him think a little more. Last night's event kicked ass, brought some much needed interest back to the UFC. So many possibilities for matchups and fights that weren't there 2 nights ago.
Here's to when TJ weighs in next time, the towel slips.
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Originally Posted by peter mcneilDJ has improved a lot since his fight with Cruz. I like TJ in that fight, I think he wrestle fucks him to a decision. You might be right though, I wouldn't bet on the fight. DJ is much faster and smart as hell. DJ is also a very small 125lber. He could easily fight at 115 if there was a decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Garbrandt always stands in the pocket and throws bombs, this last fight may help him think a little more. Last night's event kicked ass, brought some much needed interest back to the UFC. So many possibilities for matchups and fights that weren't there 2 nights ago.
yeah tjs wrestling cant be ignored, especially since hes used to manhandling people like 30% heavier than dj. plus, low my opinion of tj might be, has dj faced anyone on that level? like literally ever?
i still think dj gets a rd 1 tko here but there are certainly paths to victory for tj if he can take this fight to the fence/floor, agreed.
Opening odds for a potential Georges St-Pierre vs Conor McGregor bout (via Bovada):
GSP -150
McGregor +120
The slow build up to this potential fight begins. Freddy Roach said that's the fight he wants GSP to take recently in an interview.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shizzmoney
It's a good matchup for GSP. As long as he avoids the KO he will win.Quote:
Originally Posted by peter mcneilThe slow build up to this potential fight begins. Freddy Roach said that's the fight he wants GSP to take recently in an interview.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shizzmoney
He saw what Diaz did and wants some of that.....and might as well cash in for 10 mill while he's at it.
guys.... conor is going to literally beat the flesh off gsp's skull.
its going to be that 2nd round knockdown in his second fight against diaz over and over for as long as it takes for gsp to not get back up.
i love you guys, youre great, but you need to write your congressmen to never let this fight happen. gsp was borderline fishdancing around the cage in rd2, thats how gassed he was.
besides, conor's team has started seeding social media with interest posts about Conor v Mayweather 2 so this issue is probably moot.
I think it's a hell of a good matchup for GSP. His cardio did look spotty at 185 but Conors cardio is fucking horrible every fight that goes past 1 round. Probably better to hold off on matchup discussion until the fight is accounced.
I pray Mayweather vs McGregor 2 doesn't happen. The first one was fun but it wasn't competitive and Floyd is right to call it a heist. If McGregor cares about his MMA legacy he will start defending his belt against legitimate contenders.
i think conor cares about becoming a billionaire, and i think the ufc doesnt want to give him copromotion because thats a hell of a can of worms to open. so really, he might try for another boxing matchup, if not with floyd than with some other retired burger.
ill say this much, gsp beat bisping because he was the smarter fighter. and if he can get a takedown on conor early in rd 1, who knows where he can ride that to.
Its no can of worms at all because the UFC will NEVER again have a star even close to conors popularity.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
He's the only irreplaceable star the UFC has ever had. They've happily told everyone else to take a hike when their demands get too crazy, Conor is one of a kind.Quote:
Originally Posted by adamantiumIts no can of worms at all because the UFC will NEVER again have a star even close to conors popularity.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
MehQuote:
Originally Posted by peter mcneilHe's the only irreplaceable star the UFC has ever had. They've happily told everyone else to take a hike when their demands get too crazy, Conor is one of a kind.Quote:
Originally Posted by adamantium
So was Silva
So was GSP
So was Jones
So was Liddell
They come they go. Eventually they get old and you can't fight forever.
and if lesnar had faded that liver shot from horsemeat, he'd be on the list as well.
not only is conor not unique, he's also damaged goods on the other side of his prime.
that floyd fight did him no favors at all and the world is a long way from forgetting that nate diaz outboxed him and choked him out.
and btw apparently he's penciled in to face ferg next month (!!!). he better win that fight in the first few minutes, because if he doesnt, i expect him to get elbowed into oblivion and probably retire in the ring if he can convince rogan to give him some mic time.
The ppv numbers Conor pulls say otherwise. McGregor is their biggest star ever by a long shot. Silva never sold that well, neither has Jones. GSP was steady but never near the draw that Conor is. The only 2 that have been close are Rousey and Lesnar. Even then Conor is responsible for the 4 of the 5 largest ppv numbers the UFC has ever put up.Quote:
Originally Posted by simpdogMehQuote:
Originally Posted by peter mcneil
So was Silva
So was GSP
So was Jones
So was Liddell
They come they go. Eventually they get old and you can't fight forever.
https://www.tapology.com/search/mma-...w-buys-buyrate
I agree if GSP can avoid the big one and can get to the ground, he wins.
As far as giving Connor a piece of the business bwahahahahahaha I think a NFL team owner said it best a week ago, you don't let the inmates run the prison.
Connor may be popular still but as soon as he goes 3 L's in a row, game over. He is literally always a year away from being a wash up. And not taking MMA serious or his belts shows a lot of disrespect to his fellow fighters who deserve chances and fans, well the smart fans.
On a personal note this odd female like clothing obsession is disturbing, I think the gals for show.
I agree with all this, I don't think he's going to get equity in the company but he can and has already made demands the UFC would never consider from another fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by DonaldTrumpsHairPiece
I also believe he's completely overrated as an MMA fighter. He's got dangerous power but he has no cardio and he doesn't fight well under adverse conditions. His star power will fade as he gets in there with the best competition consistently.
None of this matters right now, today. The numbers he pulls are so far ahead of what anyone else ever has that he really is bargaining from a unique position the UFC has never faced. Names like Liddell, Jones and Silva are hilariously behind the numbers Conor pulls, they are generally half at best and often a third of McGregor's ppv buy rates.
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Originally Posted by peter mcneilI agree with all this, I don't think he's going to get equity in the company but he can and has already made demands the UFC would never consider from another fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by DonaldTrumpsHairPiece
I also believe he's completely overrated as an MMA fighter. He's got dangerous power but he has no cardio and he doesn't fight well under adverse conditions. His star power will fade as he gets in there with the best competition consistently.
None of this matters right now, today. The numbers he pulls are so far ahead of what anyone else ever has that he really is bargaining from a unique position the UFC has never faced. Names like Liddell, Jones and Silva are hilariously behind the numbers Conor pulls, they are generally half at best and often a third of McGregor's ppv buy rates.
Consider, however, that has not fought in the UFC for _a fucking year_ and the ppv numbers for their last event were insane.
On top of which, Conor might be running out of belt contenders/holders he can beat.
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Originally Posted by peter mcneilI agree with all this, I don't think he's going to get equity in the company but he can and has already made demands the UFC would never consider from another fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by DonaldTrumpsHairPiece
I also believe he's completely overrated as an MMA fighter. He's got dangerous power but he has no cardio and he doesn't fight well under adverse conditions. His star power will fade as he gets in there with the best competition consistently.
None of this matters right now, today. The numbers he pulls are so far ahead of what anyone else ever has that he really is bargaining from a unique position the UFC has never faced. Names like Liddell, Jones and Silva are hilariously behind the numbers Conor pulls, they are generally half at best and often a third of McGregor's ppv buy rates.
Turns out the fight show isn't much different than other industry like acting, singing etc. The best do not always get the credit they deserve and popularity with it. A lot of better men have fought and haven't gotten the attention simply because Connor marketed himself the likes MMA has never seen. Goes to show how well you capitalize on a win is more important than who, how or why you got it.
Props for what he has done should come more from a marketing stand point than his actual fighting ability.
Conor without any support from the rest of the card will pull larger numbers for his next fight than this last mega card with GSP's return did. I wouldn't be surprised if he beats it by 20%. Conor also fought a fight in the last year that did 6m ppv buys. He wasn't sidelined doing fuck all, if anything he may have built a bigger base. The UFC has had a rough year with ppv numbers. Rousey is gone, Lesnar is gone, Jones is gone for awhile. Again I'm not saying he will get equity but to suggest he's just another in a long line of stars is ridiculous. He's their biggest star ever by a mile.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatineQuote:
Originally Posted by peter mcneil
Consider, however, that has not fought in the UFC for _a fucking year_ and the ppv numbers for their last event were insane.
On top of which, Conor might be running out of belt contenders/holders he can beat.
Even Dana admits Conor is bargaining with substantially more power than anyone else in UFC's history has. How are we even debating this? The numbers do the talking.
No doubt about it. He got smoked by a guy who sits between 5-10 in the rankings at 155lbs and looked awful in a sloppy albeit exciting rematch and we still have guys in this very thread suggesting he'd beat the hell out GSP, the greatest 170lber of all time who just won the MW title. The marketing is insane. But it all comes down to the numbers, he makes the UFC insane money, that also includes what the UFC made off the Mayweather fight, which apparently was their largest pay day of the year. Think about that, the UFC made the most off any event this year in a sport they don't even promote, just because Conor was involved. That man makes the UFC huge money and he is without a doubt in a historically unique negotiating position with the UFC.Quote:
Originally Posted by DonaldTrumpsHairPieceQuote:
Originally Posted by peter mcneil
Turns out the fight show isn't much different than other industry like acting, singing etc. The best do not always get the credit they deserve and popularity with it. A lot of better men have fought and haven't gotten the attention simply because Connor marketed himself the likes MMA has never seen. Goes to show how well you capitalize on a win is more important than who, how or why you got it.
Props for what he has done should come more from a marketing stand point than his actual fighting ability.
conor vs gsp in skydome for 185lb title, instantly sells 50-60k tickets and does huge ppv
we talking scrooge mcduck bucks
I always thought they would do this fight at 170 but at 185 its even better. If he loses (he will) the UFC can say their main man went to 185 and took on the all time GOAT, make him out to be a hero even in losing. Keep his drawing power alive for another fight or twoQuote:
Originally Posted by GambleBotsSatire
I think a GSP vs Conor fight does at least 1.6m buys and has a shot at 2m.
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Originally Posted by GambleBotsSatire
So promoted as the first man to have a belt in 3 classes?
Promoted as Conor's retirement match, maybe. GSP tools Conor, easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by DonaldTrumpsHairPieceQuote:
Originally Posted by GambleBotsSatire
So promoted as the first man to have a belt in 3 classes?
Never happen at that weight.. Remember Conner was 4lbs below WW limit at 166 when he fought Diaz and you want him to put on another 20lbs.. Hed look like a white DC Cormier at that weight or more like an Irish Potato honestly.. I think many would love to see GSP and Connor go at it and GSP was willing to drop to 155 so let him.. Conner vs GSP for the 155 belt Conner has shoved up his ass and refuses to defend (If it was anybodyelse Dana and UFC would've already stripped him of the title since its not an injury issue like it was with a certain Heavyweight Champ who wreck his motorcycle and couldn't fight for 2 yrs..Quote:
Originally Posted by GambleBotsSatire
Thus if GSP wins then he is the true GOAT and first man to be a three time champ in different weight classes (170,185,155).
The best selling ppv of 2017 is still well below all of McGregor's last 4 fights and almost half Diaz vs McGregor 2.
http://www.bjpenn.com/mma-news/ufc-2...oriously-high/
Bellator announces its (mostly) heavyweight tournament.
- Fedor Emelianenko
- Frank Mir
- Roy Nelson
- Matt Mitrione
- Bellator Light Heavyweight Champion Ryan Bader
- Rampage Jackson
- King Mo
- Chael Sonnen
Scott Coker keeping it fun.
Love the line up. I almost think Bader might be the favorite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crowe Diddly
A lot of these guys are washed up but I guarantee this will get me watching Bellator in 2018.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crowe Diddly
LOL Anderson pissed hot again
https://www.mmafighting.com/2017/11/...hai-main-event
and LOL Conor smacking an MMA official
http://www.tmz.com/2017/11/10/conor-...confrontation/
MMA is the best sometimes.
Was listening to the JRE today, with Billy Corgan. Recommended.
about 3/4's in, Billy asks Joe a question about Daniel Cormier and how the fuck someone could mentally deal with losing the belt then the opponent testing hot. Joe then went into a speculative story on what may be the single craziest way I've ever heard of to fail a drug test.
https://youtu.be/sb-mU6wgeF8?t=1h28m53s
1:28:53 in. You'll enjoy it, I think.
Code:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb-mU6wgeF8&t=1h28m53s
do thy talk about corgan owning the NWA?
maybe 5 minutes about that, and his time with tna. much more about the pumpkins, how the music biz works, how bands self-destruct, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by GambleBotsSatire
Chinese creatine y'allQuote:
Originally Posted by Crowe Diddly
http://<a href="http://www.youtube.c...mBaSOmA_3c</a>
Chael's 2 cents on ConnorQuote:
Originally Posted by Shizzmoney
https://youtu.be/HbY1YCXBoJU
I enjoy all of the content Sonnen puts out. A lot of great stories from his wrestling and MMA days.Quote:
Originally Posted by shortbuspoker
Bisbing going to fight Gastelum on Nov 25