So coronavirus is definitely going to kill a few of us.

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Says the guy who tried to compare the death rates from Covid-19 to the regular flu in a favorable light without mentioning all the measures we, as the public, have taken to prevent Covid-19 while the public takes absolutely ZERO measures to prevent the spread of the common flu. It's not scalable.

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I have not met one person who has had Covid-19. Probably because I am not morbidly obese living in an apartment with 8 other people. The current death rate projection for the US is 60,000 people which is way below the 80,000 people who died from the flu in 2018. If anything good comes from Covid-19 is perhaps people will stop eating 3,500 calories a day and smoking cigarettes. There are a few hundred very healthy people who got clipped and that sucks but the vast majority were obese who simply have not taken care of themselves and were destined to die of a stroke anyways.

The second best thing is people will finally start embracing Trump's idea and seal the fucking border so we no longer allow people in this country that have a diet of bats and snakes. This is a virus that emanated yet again from China because they elect to eat things that should never be eaten. I'll gladly pay 20% more for everything if it's made here and not in some factory where 11 years old kids are in forced labor or a society where a fucking raw raccoon foot is considered a delicacy. I went to China once in my life and as soon as I stepped off the plane I know it was bad news. Turns out I was right yet again, along with Donald J Trump. Globalism sucks.

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Cool story.

That was actually coherent

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Says the guy who tried to compare the death rates from Covid-19 to the regular flu in a favorable light without mentioning all the measures we, as the public, have taken to prevent Covid-19 while the public takes absolutely ZERO measures to prevent the spread of the common flu. It's not scalable.

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I have not met one person who has had Covid-19. Probably because I am not morbidly obese living in an apartment with 8 other people. The current death rate projection for the US is 60,000 people which is way below the 80,000 people who died from the flu in 2018. If anything good comes from Covid-19 is perhaps people will stop eating 3,500 calories a day and smoking cigarettes. There are a few hundred very healthy people who got clipped and that sucks but the vast majority were obese who simply have not taken care of themselves and were destined to die of a stroke anyways.

The second best thing is people will finally start embracing Trump's idea and seal the fucking border so we no longer allow people in this country that have a diet of bats and snakes. This is a virus that emanated yet again from China because they elect to eat things that should never be eaten. I'll gladly pay 20% more for everything if it's made here and not in some factory where 11 years old kids are in forced labor or a society where a fucking raw raccoon foot is considered a delicacy. I went to China once in my life and as soon as I stepped off the plane I know it was bad news. Turns out I was right yet again, along with Donald J Trump. Globalism sucks.

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Seal the border, nobody in or out? So international trade and travel will stop?

Good luck with that.

What an idiot.

WHY DO PEOPLE QUOTE THIS GUY????? then I'd never see his BS.
The ONLY thing his posts are good for, is to see what the latest Fox "news" propaganda talking points are.

Its just one lie after anohter.

the 80,000 people who died from the flu in 2018.
it was like 650,000, that entire paragraph is just one big lie.

And so fucking what? what is the point of comparing it to the flu? We have a vaccine for the flu,
Even if I knew someone had the flu, I wouldn't avoid them like I avoid total strangers now.

And the 60k is projected if we stay indoors, Fox news keeps leaving that part out. Lift the restrictions, & that goes sky high.

If you think this Covid no big deal, you have enough money, go volunteer at your local hospital then.
It is total BS for you to be hiding behind your computer, w/all that money, spewing Fox news propaganda like you are the third leg of Diamond and Silk.

Trump never said shit about sealing the borders to keep Chinese people out. I'm not going to read the rest, I'm sure its just more lies.
The guy just can't tell the truth for one sentence.

PSA you want less posts from me, stop quoting this guy. I have him on ignore.

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Says the guy who tried to compare the death rates from Covid-19 to the regular flu in a favorable light without mentioning all the measures we, as the public, have taken to prevent Covid-19 while the public takes absolutely ZERO measures to prevent the spread of the common flu. It's not scalable.

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I have not met one person who has had Covid-19. Probably because I am not morbidly obese living in an apartment with 8 other people. The current death rate projection for the US is 60,000 people which is way below the 80,000 people who died from the flu in 2018. If anything good comes from Covid-19 is perhaps people will stop eating 3,500 calories a day and smoking cigarettes. There are a few hundred very healthy people who got clipped and that sucks but the vast majority were obese who simply have not taken care of themselves and were destined to die of a stroke anyways.

The second best thing is people will finally start embracing Trump's idea and seal the fucking border so we no longer allow people in this country that have a diet of bats and snakes. This is a virus that emanated yet again from China because they elect to eat things that should never be eaten. I'll gladly pay 20% more for everything if it's made here and not in some factory where 11 years old kids are in forced labor or a society where a fucking raw raccoon foot is considered a delicacy. I went to China once in my life and as soon as I stepped off the plane I know it was bad news. Turns out I was right yet again, along with Donald J Trump. Globalism sucks.

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Says the guy who tried to compare the death rates from Covid-19 to the regular flu in a favorable light without mentioning all the measures we, as the public, have taken to prevent Covid-19 while the public takes absolutely ZERO measures to prevent the spread of the common flu. It's not scalable.

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I have not met one person who has had Covid-19. Probably because I am not morbidly obese living in an apartment with 8 other people. The current death rate projection for the US is 60,000 people which is way below the 80,000 people who died from the flu in 2018. If anything good comes from Covid-19 is perhaps people will stop eating 3,500 calories a day and smoking cigarettes. There are a few hundred very healthy people who got clipped and that sucks but the vast majority were obese who simply have not taken care of themselves and were destined to die of a stroke anyways.

The second best thing is people will finally start embracing Trump's idea and seal the fucking border so we no longer allow people in this country that have a diet of bats and snakes. This is a virus that emanated yet again from China because they elect to eat things that should never be eaten. I'll gladly pay 20% more for everything if it's made here and not in some factory where 11 years old kids are in forced labor or a society where a fucking raw raccoon foot is considered a delicacy. I went to China once in my life and as soon as I stepped off the plane I know it was bad news. Turns out I was right yet again, along with Donald J Trump. Globalism sucks.

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By the way it's globalism that allowed you to accumulate that $2 million liquid that you don't actually have.

Just remember there is no one more dumber than a pundit on Fox News...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAh4uS4f78o

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How about the people who eat it up every day?

China tries to export exotic animals after banning eating snakes, bats

https://nypost.com/2020/04/12/china-...g-snakes-bats/

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Chinese officials are trying to export snakes and other exotic animals overseas — despite banning the consumption of them over fears it sparked the coronavirus pandemic, according to a report.

The finance ministry has issued new incentives to get the creatures out of the country, offering tax rebates to ship out animal products such as edible snakes and turtles, primate meat and rhino horns, the Wall Street Journal reported.

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What could possibly go wrong?

People do love new shit from China.

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How about you embrace reality? We just spent $2.2 Trillion and it bought US a couple months, that is it. Do the fucking math, GDP is $22 Trillion for the US. The economy must re-open otherwise the financial devastation will create far more death and misery than this virus. If you want to hide underneath your bed so be it. But if there are 330M people in this country and if 1M die, that leaves 329M. It's nothing to do with Fox News. It's call basic math, common sense and reality.

Stop acting like a fucking moral authority. It's a numerical game. Just about everyone will live. Those who die a fraction it will be bad luck, but most were near death anyway because they did not take care of themselves their entire life, mostly obesity. I talked to my neighbor today three feet away, and I certainly was not running inside and planning my funeral. I grabbed a glass of wine and watched some FOX News.

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How about you embrace reality? We just spent $2.2 Trillion and it bought US a couple months, that is it. Do the fucking math, GDP is $22 Trillion for the US. The economy must re-open otherwise the financial devastation will create far more death and misery than this virus. If you want to hide underneath your bed so be it. But if there are 330M people in this country and if 1M die, that leaves 329M. It's nothing to do with Fox News. It's call basic math, common sense and reality.

Stop acting like a fucking moral authority. It's a numerical game. Just about everyone will live. Those who die a fraction it will be bad luck, but most were near death anyway because they did not take care of themselves their entire life, mostly obesity. I talked to my neighbor today three feet away, and I certainly was not running inside and planning my funeral. I grabbed a glass of wine and watched some FOX News.

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Preach. Anyway, whos the twink in your avatar?

Pretty horrible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1gFrmCZmns

Some good news in the US:

Deaths from 4/09 5pm-4/10 5pm --- 2048
Deaths from 4/10 5pm-4/11 5pm --- 1830
Deaths from 4/11 5pm-4/12 5pm --- 1528

(All times PDT)

It appears the death peak has been reached, and it is now falling, perhaps rapidly. This is due to social distancing, of course. Obviously if everyone goes back out before a major breakthrough occurs (a cure/semi-cure or vaccine), a second wave will begin.

California has had just 115 deaths in the past 72 hours.

Dont yell at me that this is from Daily Wire

https://www.dailywire.com/news/epide...ign=benshapiro

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This would only be true if a vaccine, cure, or semi-cure was unlikely ever to come.

Since they will come, everyone putting off the disease as long as possible is the smartest play.

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Its something I read about a few days ago and got busy and forgot about until Sah's comment reminded me. I haven't gone down the rabbit hole at all, so have no gut how accurate it might be.

In the short term I doubt the markets have this possibility factored in at all. But if you think it is likely this hypothesis is true, it could affect how the market goes in the medium/long term.

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My initial feelings are there is something to this.

Australia are doing a trial with 5,000 health workers right now.

India are not doing that many tests which makes it harder to figure exactly what's going on, but their reported cases and deaths is crazy low considering the high risk factors.... and they have no reason to lie.
I was looking at Germany which has a super low death rate compared to most of Europe. They were big on the BCG vaccine.
But the UK is starting to get hit really hard at the moment and they did plenty of BCG vaccinations until recently. Though, there is several different types of BCG vaccines in use and perhaps they differ in regard to COVID.

BCG is a real interesting one as it trains the immune system and has been proven to have other benefits other then tuberculosis, other infections and leprosy... it's even a treatment for bladder cancer.

To be perfectly honest I can't understand why our figures in Australia are so good. We're not self isolating well, our beaches are packed as I type this. I was thinking the weather might be helping.
We had 6,000 cases a few weeks ago, most were imported from other countries, but we now have over 3,000 recovered and just under 3,000 active cases.
Iran was getting smashed early on, they have 23,000 active cases and 43,000 recovered. It looked like they were going to be decimated but they've turned the corner quite quickly... they were doing BCG vaccinations.
South America as another example, the figures from SA are relatively low. They also did plenty of BCG vaccinations, same with Africa but again the testing is very low and hard to get a grasp on what's happening their.

Good info none the less verminaard. 😊
I do think you're on to something.

regarding india's reason to lie; mohdi is basically a street shitting version of trump. this is the guy who dropped all internet/cell service from kashmir for months to make a point. but that said, its hard to imagine there wouldnt be a huge uproar about a coverup because all indians are online 24/7 so they can sell us dick pills via text message.

honestly not kidding; i wonder if the levels of spices in their diets helps.

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regarding india's reason to lie; mohdi is basically a street shitting version of trump. this is the guy who dropped all internet/cell service from kashmir for months to make a point. but that said, its hard to imagine there wouldnt be a huge uproar about a coverup because all indians are online 24/7 so they can sell us dick pills via text message.

honestly not kidding; i wonder if the levels of spices in their diets helps.

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Having lived in India before, it's simply impossible for me to imagine that we're getting accurate #'s, UNLESS sonatine is right and there is an larger variable (ie. diet) that can explain.

All reports from family suggest that all are taking distancing incredibly seriously but the sheer_number of fucking people and the hygiene of various areas make me anecdotally incredibly skeptical

finally some positive news

https://www.politico.eu/article/cure...accine-trials/

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regarding india's reason to lie; mohdi is basically a street shitting version of trump. this is the guy who dropped all internet/cell service from kashmir for months to make a point. but that said, its hard to imagine there wouldnt be a huge uproar about a coverup because all indians are online 24/7 so they can sell us dick pills via text message.

honestly not kidding; i wonder if the levels of spices in their diets helps.

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Have you seen their action movies? They can bend time and space. Corona is nothing

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regarding india's reason to lie; mohdi is basically a street shitting version of trump. this is the guy who dropped all internet/cell service from kashmir for months to make a point. but that said, its hard to imagine there wouldnt be a huge uproar about a coverup because all indians are online 24/7 so they can sell us dick pills via text message.

honestly not kidding; i wonder if the levels of spices in their diets helps.

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Having lived in India before, it's simply impossible for me to imagine that we're getting accurate #'s, UNLESS sonatine is right and there is an larger variable (ie. diet) that can explain.

All reports from family suggest that all are taking distancing incredibly seriously but the sheer_number of fucking people and the hygiene of various areas make me anecdotally incredibly skeptical

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its not fucking possible for them to socially distance.

one factor we can be absolutely sure of is they are doing virtually no testing. but where are the bodies? they didnt even start restricting travel from china until weeks after us.

this is some bullshit.

Trump RT'd a #FireFauci tweet. Let's get the popcorn

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how much do you want to bet china buys them out.

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Having lived in India before, it's simply impossible for me to imagine that we're getting accurate #'s, UNLESS sonatine is right and there is an larger variable (ie. diet) that can explain.

All reports from family suggest that all are taking distancing incredibly seriously but the sheer_number of fucking people and the hygiene of various areas make me anecdotally incredibly skeptical

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its not fucking possible for them to socially distance.

one factor we can be absolutely sure of is they are doing virtually no testing. but where are the bodies? they didnt even start restricting travel from china until weeks after us.

this is some bullshit.

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Maybe it's this,
BCG vaccine use in India:
India and Pakistan introduced BCG mass immunization in 1948, the first countries outside Europe to do so. In 2015, millions of infants were denied BCG vaccine in Pakistan for the first time due to shortage globally.

or




:this


...or a little bit of this and that?!

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Dont let at me that this is from Daily Wire

https://www.dailywire.com/news/epide...ign=benshapiro

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This would only be true if a vaccine, cure, or semi-cure was unlikely ever to come.

Since they will come, everyone putting off the disease as long as possible is the smartest play.

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This.

Don't tell bottomgull, he'll tell you not to act like you're a "moral authority."

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regarding india's reason to lie; mohdi is basically a street shitting version of trump. this is the guy who dropped all internet/cell service from kashmir for months to make a point. but that said, its hard to imagine there wouldnt be a huge uproar about a coverup because all indians are online 24/7 so they can sell us dick pills via text message.

honestly not kidding; i wonder if the levels of spices in their diets helps.

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LOL

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Some good news in the US:

Deaths from 4/09 5pm-4/10 5pm --- 2048
Deaths from 4/10 5pm-4/11 5pm --- 1830
Deaths from 4/11 5pm-4/12 5pm --- 1528

(All times PDT)

It appears the death peak has been reached, and it is now falling, perhaps rapidly. This is due to social distancing, of course. Obviously if everyone goes back out before a major breakthrough occurs (a cure/semi-cure or vaccine), a second wave will begin.

California has had just 115 deaths in the past 72 hours.

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Its possible. But also keep in mind it is a long holiday weekend, so reporting is probably backed up. I think I read somewhere there is a dip pretty much every weekend, and Tuesday is the catch up day where numbers jump up.

I obviously hope the CA numbers are true and will hold, but I am skeptical. I suspect a lot of homeless shelters and nursing homes where testing/results haven't come in yet. FWIW my wife's hospital has much less serious cases than they expected, and they are actually running at lower capacity than normal because so many "elective" medical procedures aren't happening, but overall they are still doing very little testing of likely COVID cases. They are still just telling people to stay at home and self quarantine, and not offering any testing to most.

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Its something I read about a few days ago and got busy and forgot about until Sah's comment reminded me. I haven't gone down the rabbit hole at all, so have no gut how accurate it might be.

In the short term I doubt the markets have this possibility factored in at all. But if you think it is likely this hypothesis is true, it could affect how the market goes in the medium/long term.

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My initial feelings are there is something to this.

Australia are doing a trial with 5,000 health workers right now.

India are not doing that many tests which makes it harder to figure exactly what's going on, but their reported cases and deaths is crazy low considering the high risk factors.... and they have no reason to lie.
I was looking at Germany which has a super low death rate compared to most of Europe. They were big on the BCG vaccine.
But the UK is starting to get hit really hard at the moment and they did plenty of BCG vaccinations until recently. Though, there is several different types of BCG vaccines in use and perhaps they differ in regard to COVID.

BCG is a real interesting one as it trains the immune system and has been proven to have other benefits other then tuberculosis, other infections and leprosy... it's even a treatment for bladder cancer.

To be perfectly honest I can't understand why our figures in Australia are so good. We're not self isolating well, our beaches are packed as I type this. I was thinking the weather might be helping.
We had 6,000 cases a few weeks ago, most were imported from other countries, but we now have over 3,000 recovered and just under 3,000 active cases.
Iran was getting smashed early on, they have 23,000 active cases and 43,000 recovered. It looked like they were going to be decimated but they've turned the corner quite quickly... they were doing BCG vaccinations.
South America as another example, the figures from SA are relatively low. They also did plenty of BCG vaccinations, same with Africa but again the testing is very low and hard to get a grasp on what's happening their.

Good info none the less verminaard. ��
I do think you're on to something.

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My understanding is you have to look at morbidity/mortality within age groups with respect to vaccination in addition to overall morbidity/mortality. Some countries the older people never got the vaccine because it started late; and other countries they discontinued vaccines, so it is younger people who never got vaccinated. And like I mentioned before, there is a Japanese version of the vaccine that a few countries use (off the top of my head I remember Pakistan was one of those countries, and obv Japan) that the researchers argued seemed to predict much lower morbidity/mortality.

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And I’m sure the obesity rate there has nothing to do with a raccoon in the USA having better food options.

Daly seems upset about his bad genetics

https://youtu.be/G5nYUTCm8PY

Here is a story from my city about what someone is going through. Again this makes me wonder if things in Canada are worse than they let on and how many real cases we have. They don’t have enough testing facilities and the public seems in the dark. Also several comments are by people talking about losing sense of taste and smell as an early warning sign.





My dad died at the civic hospital. He had covid-19. We couldnt even have a funeral for him because we all had contact with him before he went into the hospital. Just had to call the funeral home to allow the hospital to release the body and provide the credit card number on the phone for cremation. It really sucks.

Even though my dad tested positive, there are eight of us who also got sick at the same time but we never got tested. We couldnt get tested because we didnt have the symptoms that public health screens for (fever, chest pains, shortness of breath, foreign travel, cough). We didnt have any of those. We got headaches, insane body aches, no energy and we all lost our sense of taste and smell (even now 3 weeks later I cant smell anything).

Anyway, I am posting this because I just think those stats on "confirmed cases" are such an underestimate of actual cases.

I also just wanted to say that I never ever thought this would happen to our family. We were careful. Stayed home, no visits, no parks, etc. but we didnt wear masks at the grocery store or gloves etc. I also wasnt all that afraid because of all the reports saying that 80% of cases will only experience mild symptoms. When they say mild do they just mean "will not need to go to the hospital"? Because we were completely incapacitated by the virus. It was the worst pain I have ever felt. It was like being visited by a dementor.

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Here is a story from my city about what someone is going through. Again this makes me wonder if things in Canada are worse than they let on and how many real cases we have. They don’t have enough testing facilities and the public seems in the dark





My dad died at the civic hospital. He had covid-19. We couldnt even have a funeral for him because we all had contact with him before he went into the hospital. Just had to call the funeral home to allow the hospital to release the body and provide the credit card number on the phone for cremation. It really sucks.

Even though my dad tested positive, there are eight of us who also got sick at the same time but we never got tested. We couldnt get tested because we didnt have the symptoms that public health screens for (fever, chest pains, shortness of breath, foreign travel, cough). We didnt have any of those. We got headaches, insane body aches, no energy and we all lost our sense of taste and smell (even now 3 weeks later I cant smell anything).

Anyway, I am posting this because I just think those stats on "confirmed cases" are such an underestimate of actual cases.

I also just wanted to say that I never ever thought this would happen to our family. We were careful. Stayed home, no visits, no parks, etc. but we didnt wear masks at the grocery store or gloves etc. I also wasnt all that afraid because of all the reports saying that 80% of cases will only experience mild symptoms. When they say mild do they just mean "will not need to go to the hospital"? Because we were completely incapacitated by the virus. It was the worst pain I have ever felt. It was like being visited by a dementor.

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So awful I can’t imagine.

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GF is an MD, I work as an esstiatial service for GOC.

Every time either return home we sniff our dogs ear to see if we can still smell him (his ear wax smells).

QC has told its doctors about the smell thing going first (usually in 72 to 96 hours) and we use it as our daily








Weird, my wife had some training with Public Health (a week or two? ago) and they indicated that lack of smell is very common in the strain around here.

It seems like possible symptoms are very dynamic and to get everyone on the same page is tough.

We've missed the boat on extensive testing and contact tracing for wave 1, I really hope they get their act together before wave 2.

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Two comments from thread

GF is an MD, I work as an esstiatial service for GOC.

Every time either return home we sniff our dogs ear to see if we can still smell him (his ear wax smells).

QC has told its doctors about the smell thing going first (usually in 72 to 96 hours) and we use it as our daily








Weird, my wife had some training with Public Health (a week or two? ago) and they indicated that lack of smell is very common in the strain around here.

It seems like possible symptoms are very dynamic and to get everyone on the same page is tough.

We've missed the boat on extensive testing and contact tracing for wave 1, I really hope they get their act together before wave 2.

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Are you in BC? As of Friday in Alberta there is a surplus of test kits, policy here is to now test everyone asking assuming they show symptoms no matter how minor. Hospitals here have empty beds and deaths have been very low.

this is nothing but heresay but I have a buddy who does a lot of work in Iraq and a girlfriend with a child in Pakistan and they both say the same things regarding the shithole country responses to Covid. Basically that the health care system is so fucked that nobody has any chance of surviving if they get seriously ill, so they put the whole country on lockdown using the military and people literally cannot leave their house. But that people can do that there, cause things are always in chaos and flux and almost everyone has 2-3 weeks supply of rice/staples to eat so they dont have to run to the store every 3 days like we do. No idea if this is true but it seems plausible and would account for some of the low health care numbers I suppose

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Every single quote and statement I can find from Fauci in January and February downplayed the virus almost identically to Trump, leading me to believe that his comments genuinely might have been on the advice of so called experts.

This guy is now the media and "useful idiot" social media savior that Trump didn't listen to.