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Atleast some countries still have an honest media.
Why is Florida gone in this map?Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Lil known fact, just prior to Sept 11th Sadaam Hussein was threatening to send in military forces into Palestine.
Idk what's happening in Gaza but it's strange how all the world's supposed cold hearted despots are horrified by what's happening, threatening invasion and all.
The Saudi's iran , Amin, Hugo Chavez, Castro, Putin...
Interesting speech
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcKN6Jt4Bl8
I still don't understand the ceasefire rhetoric.
Is the belief really that Israel should just accept 1400 of their civilians intentionally murdered by Hamas, shrug their shoulders, and say, "Okay, time to begin peace talks now"?
How does anyone believe this is realistic for Israel -- or any other country victimized by such an attack?
Honestly I think the "ceasefire" people are ones who believe that the nasty Jews deserved it for all they've supposedly done to Palestinians over the years, so now it's even and they're supposed to get going with the peace process. These dummies still don't see the attack for what it actually was -- a fundamentalist religious group killing Jews because that's what they've always wanted to do.
Don't forget about that six billy obvQuote:
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Originally Posted by Dan Druff
because for every single hamas member who gets killed, dozens of innocent palestinian human beings are being murdered.
And whose fault is that?Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatineQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
because for every single hamas member who gets killed, dozens of innocent palestinian human beings are being murdered.
I would say it's the fault of the terrorist-led government in Gaza using its own citizens as human shields.
So what are you saying? Israel needs to tolerate murder of its civilians if the murderers choose to hide behind their own civilian population?
There is always collateral damage in war. This includes the recent US wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. It's sad and unfortunate, but that's what occurs at wartime, especially when one side intentionally hides among its civilian population, believing the other side to be too decent to bomb them there.
Israel cannot let Hamas continue after this. Otherwise, what message does this send to their own citizens? What message does this send to Israel's many enemies and semi-enemies surrounding them?
The Middle East is ruled by strength, not common decency or morality. If you project weakness, you will get crushed.
The "ceasefire" crowd also is quite transparent if you look at what they do and don't say.
They are very loud about the civilian deaths in Gaza due to Israel's bombing, and also very loud about Israel's policies in general.
However, they say very little (if anything) about the brutality and outrageousness of what Hamas did on October 7, and there is scant mention of the hostages, except when it's qualified by a need to BOTH have a ceasefire and a hostage release.
They almost never criticize Hamas itself, nor do they condemn Hamas for the killings or their longtime stated goal of killing Jews.
If the ceasefire crowd were really outraged about what happened to the Israeli people, yet also concerned for civilians in Gaza, they would loudly condemn Hamas and their actions, but also state that they feel the ceasefire should occur in order to save lives. Few take this approach. They are extremely light on the Hamas criticism.
Of course, there's a huge overlap in the crowd pushing for ceasefire and the crowd condemning Israel's treatment of Gaza, which of course is no coincidence.
Israel suffers an attack where 1400 civilians are targeted and brutally murdered, and somehow this crowd thinks protesting Israel is the correct response. These people are not actually outraged by Hamas' actions. Some think the Jews deserved it, and others think that this was the inevitable response of an oppressed people finally rising up. They just won't say it out loud.
At least the far right white supremacist Jew haters admit what they are. The left wing Jew haters pretend they're all about peace and love, and that they have no problem at all with Jews, when in reality it's a very different picture behind closed doors.
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Originally Posted by Dan DruffAnd whose fault is that?Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
I would say it's the fault of the terrorist-led government in Gaza using its own citizens as human shields.
So what are you saying?
in saying you have the emotional intelligence / functional empathy of a lamprey eel.
I'm the one with the empathy for the families of the 1400 Jews murdered, and you're the one who wants the Jews to just forget about it and make peace with the terrorists because a bunch of anti-Semites and woke virtue signalers say they should.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Dan Druff
in saying you have the emotional intelligence / functional empathy of a lamprey eel.
Typical response of a shitlib, believing that they are the "emotionally intelligent" ones because they lack basic common sense regarding how to deal with horrible people doing horrible things.
Nobody's saying forget about it, they are saying Israel has killed enough innocent life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffI'm the one with the empathy for the families of the 1400 Jews murdered, and you're the one who wants the Jews to just forget about it and make peace with the terrorists because a bunch of anti-Semites and woke virtue signalers say they should.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Typical response of a shitlib, believing that they are the "emotionally intelligent" ones because they lack basic common sense regarding how to deal with horrible people doing horrible things.
turkeys about to declare war on israel.
I don't feel that way at all. I want Israel to be well and safe. At what number of Palestinians killed though should they stop? It has to matter to most people that the Palestinians are also human beings who have lives worth no more or less than anyone else's. If Israel is going to kill every person they identify as "Hamas" how many others is it acceptable to kill in the process and towards what end?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Are they going to execute every male age 15-70 and plan on occupying Gaza for the next 20 years carrying out their plan? I don't see many good choices for Israel.
I find the argument that wanting the violence to stop is akin to being against Israel to be flawed.
Conflict in Israel has been a reality whenever Israel has existed as a nation. Whether it was the Egyptians, Amalekites, Midianites, Moabites, Ammonites, Amorites, Philistines, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, or Romans, the nation of Israel has always been persecuted by its neighbors. Why is this? According to the Bible, it is because God has a special plan for the nation of Israel, and Satan wants to defeat that plan. Satanically influenced hatred of Israel—and especially Israel’s God—is the reason Israel’s neighbors have always wanted to see Israel destroyed. Whether it is Sennacherib, king of Assyria; Haman, official of Persia; Hitler, leader of Nazi Germany; or Rouhani, President of Iran, attempts to completely destroy Israel will always fail. The persecutors of Israel will come and go, but the persecution will remain until the second coming of Christ. As a result, conflict in Israel is not a reliable indicator of the soon arrival of the end times.
However, the Bible does say there will be terrible conflict in Israel during the end times. That is why the time period is known as the Tribulation, the Great Tribulation, and the “time of Jacob’s trouble” (Jeremiah 30:7). Here is what the Bible says about Israel in the end times:
There will be a mass return of Jews to the land of Israel (Deuteronomy 30:3; Isaiah 43:6; Ezekiel 34:11-13; 36:24; 37:1-14).
The Antichrist will make a 7-year covenant of "peace" with Israel (Isaiah 28:18; Daniel 9:27).
The temple will be rebuilt in Jerusalem (Daniel 9:27; Matthew 24:15; 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4; Revelation 11:1).
The Antichrist will break his covenant with Israel, and worldwide persecution of Israel will result (Daniel 9:27; 12:1, 11; Zechariah 11:16; Matthew 24:15, 21; Revelation 12:13). Israel will be invaded (Ezekiel chapters 38-39).
Israel will finally recognize Jesus as their Messiah (Zechariah 12:10). Israel will be regenerated, restored, and regathered (Jeremiah 33:8; Ezekiel 11:17; Romans 11:26).
There is much turmoil in Israel today. Israel is persecuted, surrounded by enemies—Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, etc. But this hatred and persecution of Israel is only a hint of what will happen in the end times (Matthew 24:15-21). The latest round of persecution began when Israel was reconstituted as a nation in 1948. Many Bible prophecy scholars believed the six-day Arab-Israeli war in 1967 was the "beginning of the end." Could what is taking place in Israel today indicate that the end is near? Yes. Does it necessarily mean the end is near? No. Jesus Himself said it best, "Watch out that no one deceives you. . . . You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come" (Matthew 24:4-6).
So it was said, so it will be done.
Netanyahu is the problem
He is the asshole who has hardlined the aggressive take over of Palestinian land
Druff- do you really think the people op Gaza are just gonna sit on their hands and take it forever? Of course they were going to revolt
They pretty much have nothing to lose
You never want to corner anyone or anything and the people fo Gaza are and have been cornered
You still on about the 6billion or have you now realized the right wing media lied and deceived you yet again?
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Originally Posted by Dan DruffI'm the one with the empathy for the families of the 1400 Jews murdered, and you're the one who wants the Jews to just forget about it and make peace with the terrorists because a bunch of anti-Semites and woke virtue signalers say they should.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Typical response of a shitlib, believing that they are the "emotionally intelligent" ones because they lack basic common sense regarding how to deal with horrible people doing horrible things.
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Originally Posted by big dick
Haha, Hamas supporter right here folks. And WTF do you know about being "cornered" tough guy? You are a stay at home Dad, people laugh at you when you tell them that, no wonder you are a supporter of AOC, that brother fucker in Minnesota and Kamala Harris. Go back to your Palestine Marches where they also laugh at you behind your back. Psst, if you are a stay at home Dad, keep that shit on the down lo. It's nothing something you talk about, like being a grown fucking Man and listening to your Pops on who to vote for.
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can you please stop engaging in political threads because my fucking head hurts
TIA
Sincerely,
everybody who isn’t a drooling neanderthal and has an actual brain
okay ill bite
what parts of my post do you disagree with?
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This wasn't a revolt.
It was a religious attack against Jews.
It was a one way trip for Jew hating religious terrorists to come over the wall, murder as many civilians as possible, and eventually get shot dead.
The "revolt against Israeli treatment of Gaza" is Hamas propaganda.
Also lol @ releasing $6b to Iran in exchange for hostages and getting cucks in the west to excuse it.
"Oh but they haven't spent the money yet", as if that matters when they know they have $6b behind guaranteed to come to them.
Libs are so gullible
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When you are looking to improve conditions in your country, and want to revolt against the government you feel is oppressing you, targeting innocent civilians will never accomplish that.
But that wasn't the goal here. The goal was to kill Jews. Hamas is a religious organization. Keep repeating until you understand.
I want to be clear here. I in no way or in any world condone what they did on Oct 7thQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffQuote:
Originally Posted by big dick
This wasn't a revolt.
It was a religious attack against Jews.
It was a one way trip for Jew hating religious terrorists to come over the wall, murder as many civilians as possible, and eventually get shot dead.
The "revolt against Israeli treatment of Gaza" is Hamas propaganda.
It was disgusting and I hope every single person who did it faces Justice (death or jail) but you can't look at it from only one side
Israel more or less controls every single Palestinian, They control there comings and goings, their food supply, their water supply and their electricity
Israel keeps taking more land every year.
Netanyahu had hard lined the living shit out of them.
Netanyahu has not even attempted to negotiate with them. he just keeps taking more land and oppresses them more and more
Look what the English did to the Irish. Very similar
The english turned the nicest people in the entire world into terrorists (IRA)
The Irish turned tobombing and acts of terrorism for one reason, because that was the only possible way to fight back
You just can't do what Israel did and what England did without expecting some consequences
WTF is the matter with you. 1400 innocent men, women, children and infants were raped, burned and decapitated but a bunch of 8th Century nuts who are pissed off at the world not over religious persecution but because they are life losers. They are mostly 20 something douche bags who were motivated to go on a rape spree. Like I said, you belong to the party of Omar, Talib and those other nuts. Actually, you fit in perfectly.Quote:
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Just like the US got what they got in 2001 for supporting Israel all these years? Consequences right? You truly are an idiot, but given your support of the party of Talib, Oman and AOC its not at all a shock. How about you print out some of your posts and mail them to your Union buddies and see where that gets you.Quote:
Originally Posted by big dickI want to be clear here. I in no way or in any world condone what they did on Oct 7thQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
It was disgusting and I hope every single person who did it faces Justice (death or jail) but you can't look at it from only one side
Israel more or less controls every single Palestinian, They control there comings and goings, their food supply, their water supply and their electricity
Israel keeps taking more land every year.
Netanyahu had hard lined the living shit out of them.
Netanyahu has not even attempted to negotiate with them. he just keeps taking more land and oppresses them more and more
Look what the English did to the Irish. Very similar
The english turned the nicest people in the entire world into terrorists (IRA)
The Irish turned tobombing and acts of terrorism for one reason, because that was the only possible way to fight back
You just can't do what Israel did and what England did without expecting some consequences
says the retard who called the constitution just a piece of paper that can and should be discarded
You wouldnt be able to shoot off your mouth without that piece of paper you fkin traitor scumbag
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The first 11 min. is sobering He's pro Israel btw. For instance. I didn't know we shot down a Turkish Drone or that Pakistan has promised to provide Turkey
with nukes if Israel tries to use nukes. This is some serious and complex shit and not the time for knee jerk reactions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00frv5blaXM
If I were Israel, I’d have this video playing 24/7. Not releasing it out of respect for families isn’t a good reason imo. Had my family been killed, and wanting justice, I’d be all for releasing it and I think most people would. Winning the PR battle is as important as winning the war.
Even the most whacked out bleeding heart will get pissed when they shoot the dogs. I actually took a history of the Holocaust class at the local university when I was in high school. It was taught by the father of a Jewish girl I went to school with. Early credit for college. I recall watching this long video of atrocities, bodies burned and piled up. There was a quick cut in the old video that showed a pile of dead dogs and half the class went “aw poor babies”. All the girls especially. He stopped the projector, and it was a projector, and said I’ve been teaching this class for 15 years and that’s always the response. He seemed after 15 years to still not understand how we see so much carnage we are immune to it, but everyone likes dogs.
Why Israel showed searing images of the Hamas attack
By Kaitlan Collins, CNN
5 minute read
Published 8:56 AM EDT, Sun October 29, 2023
An October 10 aerial photo shows the abandoned site of the attack on the Nova music festival by Hamas militants in southern Israel. Jack Guez/AFP/Getty Images
An aerial photo from October 10, 2023, shows the site of the attack on the Nova music festival by Hamas militants in southern Israel.
Jack Guez/AFP/Getty Images
Editor’s Note: This story contains graphic descriptions.
CNN
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It begins on that early Saturday morning, October 7, as Hamas militants pile into the back of white pickup trucks while the sun is still rising, AK-47s slung around their chests. In one scene, they are grinning and taking video of themselves as their truck speeds down the road, on their way to slaughter people who are still asleep.
They set up checkpoints and shoot at any car that approaches. Later, they pull out the dead bodies so they can steal the vehicles.
The scenes are excruciating to watch. The tape lasts over 40 minutes.
On Friday, CNN was part of a small group of journalists in the United States shown a graphic video of the brutal October 7 attack carried out by Hamas. The Israel Defense Forces has been screening this raw footage — which was compiled from dash cam videos, body cameras, surveillance systems, CCTV and the phones of dead Hamas fighters, and not all of which CNN can verify — to world leaders and U.S. lawmakers. Friday was the first time the video has been shown outside of Israel, though a CNN reporter had already seen a version shown to reporters located within Israel.
Israeli officials explained they are not releasing the video publicly out of respect for the victims.
Israel has distilled and shared the footage as part of a response to growing international criticism of its military campaign and blockade in Gaza, which have sparked a humanitarian crisis. The IDF’s apparent intention is to underscore the scope of the massacre and to remind the world of the atrocities committed by Hamas as Israel’s government tries to build support for its ground campaign in Gaza, which Israeli officials have warned will be long and difficult.
As journalists watched the searing images in a silent room, the United Nations General Assembly – just a block away – approved a nonbinding resolution calling for a “humanitarian truce.” Hours later, Israel sent more forces into Gaza and ramped up its aerial bombardment.
In another scene from the video, two Hamas militants enter a kibbutz. One shoots the tires out of an ambulance parked near the front, ensuring that any survivors can’t be transported to safety later. The militants go on to ambush the houses, shooting people who are still in their beds or are sitting on their back porches. They even shoot the dogs wandering around the kibbutz. If they struggle to get inside a home, they set it on fire instead.
The scenes include a Hamas fighter standing on a dead man and continuing to fire into the body at close range. They show Hamas members arguing over who gets to attempt to decapitate a Thai laborer with a garden hoe, shouting, “Allahu akbar” with each swing. They show militants setting cars on fire and then gathering around for a selfie, smiling as if they’re at a tailgate.
In Netiv HaAsara, a small town that sits on the Gaza border, a man and his three sons are awoken by the attack, all still in their underwear. On home surveillance footage, the panicked father carries one child while the other two run behind him through the living room. They make it outside as he sprints into the home’s bomb shelter, launching his sons in first. Seconds later, two Hamas members throw a grenade into the entryway, killing the father instantly. The two older boys, who are around 10 or 12, emerge bloodied but alive. They go back into their living room.
“Daddy’s dead,” one says to the other. “It’s not a prank.”
“I know, I saw,” the other, hunched over the table, says, adding that he can only see with one eye after the grenade blast.
“You’re not joking?” his brother asks. “You can’t see?”
They are inconsolable — not that there’s anyone there to console them. A Hamas militant absentmindedly raids their fridge as they sob uncontrollably.
“Why am I alive? Why am I alive?” one boy cries.
When the boys’ mother arrives later with the village’s security, she has to be dragged away from her husband’s body to be taken to safety.
At the Nova music festival, where at least 260 bodies were found, you see as the panic sets in when revelers realize they are being attacked. The music is still playing as one person records a video with paragliders approaching in the background. Festival attendees quickly begin to hide in dumpsters and behind trees, but nowhere is safe. As a Hamas militant, wearing a body camera, walks by the porta-potties, he fires into each of them in case anyone is inside.
Many people ran to nearby bomb shelters. In one video, a festival-goer’s eyes grow wide as he pans around to show a crowded bunker filled with the sobs and anguish of his peers. Later, you see the neat rows of white body bags from those who were murdered.
In the three weeks since the attack, Israel has bombed Gaza constantly from the skies. Israeli officials say the country is targeting Hamas militants and their strategic locations, which officials say are embedded among the civilian population. Israel pushed some of its forces into the narrow strip of land Friday night as Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu confirmed the second phase of the nation’s campaign. The Israeli government has rejected calls for a ceasefire despite warnings from other nations about a regional conflict and widespread concerns about civilians who are unable to leave Gaza and who lack access to basic resources.
“There are innocent people in Gaza,” retired IDF Maj. Gen. Mickey Edelstein said after the screening — underlining the distinction between civilians and Hamas. But Israeli officials made clear the war’s next phase will go on, as Israel’s permanent representative to the United Nations, Gilad Erdan, added, “There is no other way to defeat Hamas than a ground operation.”
On Saturday, an IDF spokesman again urged residents to leave northern Gaza.
“To the residents of northern Gaza and Gaza City, your window to act is closing. … Move south. This is not a mere precaution, it is an urgent plea.”
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According to Dan Cohen, Hamas released and Israeli woman and her child and that they're showing more goodwill than Israel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnqfL59OB-s
He receives all kinds of death threats and the way the Mossad is he should be concerned. This is what it's like to take a principled position.
Anybody can beat the drums for war when they're not the ones fighting, chickenhawks we call them.
Tell me that doesn't look like Ben Shapiro hahah
It's been 16 years since Hamas was put in charge there and Israel left them alone, except when Hamas fired rockets at them.Quote:
Originally Posted by big dickI want to be clear here. I in no way or in any world condone what they did on Oct 7thQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
It was disgusting and I hope every single person who did it faces Justice (death or jail) but you can't look at it from only one side
Israel more or less controls every single Palestinian, They control there comings and goings, their food supply, their water supply and their electricity
Israel keeps taking more land every year.
Netanyahu had hard lined the living shit out of them.
Netanyahu has not even attempted to negotiate with them. he just keeps taking more land and oppresses them more and more
Look what the English did to the Irish. Very similar
The english turned the nicest people in the entire world into terrorists (IRA)
The Irish turned tobombing and acts of terrorism for one reason, because that was the only possible way to fight back
You just can't do what Israel did and what England did without expecting some consequences
But again, this wasn't about borders or the conditions in Gaza. This was about killing Jews. That's why terrorists were sent over the wall with the goal of killing as many CIVILIANS as possible, including little babies. They even shot the dogs they encountered, even if the dogs were not threatening in any way.
There is a sophisticated PR campaign being driven by Hamas and its allies, with the knowledge that idiot leftists and anti-Semites will eat it up. You're supposed to think that these people were just driven to the brink of insanity by decades of oppression. That's not what happened here. Hamas is a religious group, and this was a religious attack.
If Hamas could press a button and wipe off every Jew from the face of the earth -- including the ones in the US -- they would.
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Hamas is slowly releasing hostages as a stalling tactic.
More likely public relations. If they are showing they are willing to release makes isreal attack look worseQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffQuote:
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Hamas is slowly releasing hostages as a stalling tactic.
But it really does not matter what they want. In less than a month they will be extinguished by the IDF. I have to believe Hamas thought the Iranians would come to their assistance, or Israel would lose their nerve. Whatever their calculation was, it was a huge tactical blunder. They will go the way of ISIS by the end of the year and just be eliminated. What happens the next 10 years who knows, but their leadership will all be killed as well as their soldiers, of course there will the cowards that will try to reintegrate into Gaza as just ordinary citizens but they are on borrowed time too, by their neighbors, those guys are not nearly as tough when they are lone wolfs, they'll be killed to in the dark of night.Quote:
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If Hamas could press a button and wipe off every Jew from the face of the earth -- including the ones in the US -- they would.
That's a thought. A very old thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffQuote:
Originally Posted by Orko
Hamas is slowly releasing hostages as a stalling tactic.
You have five grandchildren with several other dead relatives via decades of war. A war vs. local enemies, an occupier and superpower friend
Do you quit because of that? No. Hasn't happened and never will.
Let's play a game. Your babies vs.ours. As it stands our babies futures are not bright
But you are surrounded and this ain't 1967
The same with Ukraine just not the same time length. If you were born Ukrainian or Palestinian you will give up your life for this fight? And it won't stop you
Billions of people would press it.Quote:
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