Blatant Gambling Scammer Christopher Mitchell (YouTube/Baccarat/Roulette/Sportsbetting)

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Originally Posted by JeffDime

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Ha... it's funny when he screws up like this. Of course he'll just claim he won $109k the rest of the month.

Did you notice on the previous video, he said he pays $5k/month to rent that condo? Zero point zero chance of that.

He actually mentioned in some other video that the condo is owned by "some older couple from California, who goes here twice a year", and that he "negotiated a deal" with them. I think that's closer to the truth. He probably convinced some old people he got to know that it's dangerous for their stuff to sit in an unoccupied condo for almost the entire year, and that he'd "watch and take care of everything". Might have agreed to leave for the few days when the owners want to come and use it. Probably pays very little rent, is my guess. Very possible these owners are Christians and he used that angle as well.

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I think we settled around 2K/month for this condo which is probably why he had to go get real money out of the atm on April 28th. He’s said he paid 18K up front for 6 months (0.0), now he’s saying it’s 5K and originally he said it’s 3K a month. I think he’s just that dumb that he can’t keep track of his lies. Maybe an index card like what he uses to keep track of his casino visits may help.

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It's $3000 that was paid $18000 for 5 months & deposit because he has no credit or job. So they had to pay that much cause that's the property manager needed. Guys, if you want to know facts just ask. So many people speculating blindly.

Also, I hear people saying theyre tired of hearing about CM. That's EXACTLY what scammers like MM & CM want. People to burnt out and move on, while there scam gets a 2nd wind. If that was case, MM would still be around 10x bigger. Ive already dealt with people fading off before with MM which put more pressure on my team, costing us more time & out of pocket costs. Nothing pissed me off more. Just wait til casinos open and his scams ramp back up

Boring livestream here are some lowlights...

17:00 Claims to have won 63K in Jan, 74K in February & was on his way to winning 100K in March before the shutdown. Claims to have lost 3 times in the last 6 months.

19:00 Claims in the days to come he will post all his baccarat strategies for free on YouTube in the days to come.

1:12:10 Says to someone calling him a scammer in chat to please identify himself if they run into each other in the casinos when the open so he can “Kick His Teeth Out”. Again says he’s not scamming people because he’s not charging them (50% winnings rationalization). Claims to have made 17K this month in 9 days in other ventures.

1:30:25 He hates liars (LOL).

1:37:30 Tells someone in chat that the best thing he can do is make $100 bets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6qjxVg66EY

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Originally Posted by Dustin Mc

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Originally Posted by JeffDime

I think we settled around 2K/month for this condo which is probably why he had to go get real money out of the atm on April 28th. He’s said he paid 18K up front for 6 months (0.0), now he’s saying it’s 5K and originally he said it’s 3K a month. I think he’s just that dumb that he can’t keep track of his lies. Maybe an index card like what he uses to keep track of his casino visits may help.

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It's $3000 that was paid $18000 for 5 months & deposit because he has no credit or job. So they had to pay that much cause that's the property manager needed. Guys, if you want to know facts just ask. So many people speculating blindly.

Also, I hear people saying theyre tired of hearing about CM. That's EXACTLY what scammers like MM & CM want. People to burnt out and move on, while there scam gets a 2nd wind. If that was case, MM would still be around 10x bigger. Ive already dealt with people fading off before with MM which put more pressure on my team, costing us more time & out of pocket costs. Nothing pissed me off more. Just wait til casinos open and his scams ramp back up

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Kevin I got a ton of respect for you. You need to realize that no one is going to be able to invest the time & resources even in the same stratosphere as you have. This is a forum not a Q & A where we just post questions. What you call “blind speculation,” I call drawing conclusions using info you have so generously provided, things we pick up in CM’s videos and for most of us many years in the gambling world as well as life experience.

If you are worried about people letting up on him then suggesting that we just post questions on here to you rather than make some of our own observations will only serve as a deterrent for people to feel free educate themselves, express their own opinions and feel like part of the cause. I understand that you have the resources & real life answers here. We are here to help man. We both want him shut down let’s not lose sight of that. This is also your baby I only noticed a little over a month ago. No one is stepping on your toes here but if you can be a little more understanding of our observations even if they are off the mark it would be greatly appreciated.

Druff has done his radio show since 2012. While this section of the forum is meant for scammers like CM the the rest of the site is about all kinds of shit and not all is gambling related. His radio shows covers an array of topics from poker/gambling, politics, current events etc. The show is a majority of gambling related topics but he also gives advice on a variety of issues based on his life experience. It is real & unfiltered and that’s is extremely rare when it comes to poker podcasts. He made an editorial decision that following 3 weeks of covering 5 hours of Mitchell, including your terrific interview, he didn’t want to burn the audience out. A decision I completely agree with by the way. I guess I have to “speculate” that this is where you are getting this idea where everyone is just going to move on.

I can only speak for myself but nothing could be further from the truth. I love Las Vegas. I spent most of the last 10 years there and if you think I’m gonna sit back and let this fucker fly people in and fleece them without doing all I can (Legally) than you are mistaken. I am stuck in New York & because I have an underlying condition will probably not make it out to Vegas this year unless things change quickly for the better.

I hope you don’t take this in anyway as an attack on you because it’s not. I am just trying to clarify a few things. I hope to work closer with you & with the victims. Hopefully have those victims report to local law enforcement, the FTC etc and unlike Morgenstern we find authorities that actually give a shit. Let’s focus on the positive. Since Druff ran with this story it’s brought more eyeballs and awareness to the cause. We all want the same thing but everyone has their own style & ways about doing so.

Pretty much what JeffDime said.

Kevin, the forum members are enjoying this thread, and I directed people again last night on the radio show to both this thread and your channel.

My radio show is about a wide variety of topics, and my listeners want to hear about different stuff every week. Even gigantic stories like Mike Postle (the biggest poker story in almost 10 years) will have long periods of time where I don't discuss it, if there's no major news to report. As far as the radio show is concerned, I will report any major interesting Mitchell stories as they happen, and give occasional updates on him regardless.

I told people that they should check this thread and your channel if they are enjoying this drama and want to follow it on a daily basis.

Druff you know a guy named Thomas Shuster? LOL

“Me thinks” it must of took him hours to come up with this one?

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Originally Posted by JeffDime

Boring livestream here are some lowlights...

17:00 Claims to have won 63K in Jan, 74K in February & was on his way to winning 100K in March before the shutdown. Claims to have lost 3 times in the last 6 months.

19:00 Claims in the days to come he will post all his baccarat strategies for free on YouTube in the days to come.

1:12:10 Says to someone calling him a scammer in chat to please identify himself if they run into each other in the casinos when the open so he can “Kick His Teeth Out”. Again says he’s not scamming people because he’s not charging them (50% winnings rationalization). Claims to have made 17K this month in 9 days in other ventures.

1:30:25 He hates liars (LOL).

1:37:30 Tells someone in chat that the best thing he can do is make $100 bets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6qjxVg66EY

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17:00. He’s read us calling out his bs numbers and has now gone back and figured out what to claim now to make it all work.

This is from channel "Motivation for Mom's". Notice the misspelling of "moms", which shouldn't have an apostrophe.

But let's ignore that for now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0mtYGE5skY


She sounds very much like Christopher, and the title card of the video is the identical style to Christopher's. I believe this whole thing was probably his idea. Not sure what her angle is. Maybe to sell her "divorce" book that she wrote awhile back?

Really appears she's reading a prepared speech. You can tell between the 3 and 4 minute mark where she oddly pauses between some words.

Her story involving Christopher starts at 9:32.

At 11:13 she talks about the custody battle she had with her ex-husband.

She claims "my daughter goes back and forth between my ex and I" at around the 17 minute mark. I don't believe that. We've never seen her in any of the videos, and she lives 2000 miles away from her daughter. In most custody cases, both parents are required to stay in state if they wish to maintain any custody of the child. They don't ship kids back and forth 2000 miles to see each parent, especially if one parent voluntarilt gets up and moves away as Stacy did.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

This is from channel "Motivation for Mom's". Notice the misspelling of "moms", which shouldn't have an apostrophe.

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I can't even begin to tell you how bonkers this type of mistake makes me. It's bad enough if it's a one-off mistake but when it's done over and over (and in this case it's the title of a series) it melts my brain.

Why do people make this mistake? Aprostrophe-S does not pluralize anything. Some might argue that there are some exceptions such as using it for things like "the 1990's" but you actually shouldn't put the apostrophe in there. It should just be "the 1990s". No apostrophe. I've noticed that this mistake is commonly made for words that end in vowels, like "typos" will become "typo's". I guess the thinking is that the "s" looks strange after a vowel. Or people do it a lot for proper nouns like "We're the Johnson's". Again, it should just be "Johnsons."

Apostrophe-S makes something possessive. That's it.

Anyways, it's a telltale sign of stupidity. And Stacey is clearly a fucking imbecile.

where's the video that was to be put up re SM for mama's day?

I was watching American Hustle last night for probably the 10th time and two quotes from Christian Bale’s character resonated with me. If you haven’t seen it Christian Bale plays a con artist only about 1,000 times more skilled than Christopher Mitchell.

"The crazy thing about people is the more you say, "No", the more they want in."

There was a clear shift (Big Surprise) in Mitchell’s strategy on his last livestream. He claims he’s at the point where he is so rich he may not do the one on one coaching anymore (sure bro). If he does he may not take half on the back end now. Maybe he’ll take just $500 because his time is so valuable. Of course he still wants to know exactly when you are planning on coming to Vegas because he may just find the time out of his very busy schedule to help you out (LOL). Personally, I think he is way too shitty of a con artist to pull off the suave soft sell.

So for the record since the casinos have closed here are the following changes in his advertised price for his one on one coaching,

$2500 flat fee
$1500 flat fee
50% of winnings
Not sure if he’ll have time(smh) but maybe he’ll take $500 or so on the back end

Been a while since economics class but I would say the drastic downward slope in the price-point is evidence of a steep drop in Demand. What’s next for Christoper Mitchell Professional Gambler Enterprises? A going out of Business Sale? Can I expect to see him on the strip holding a “Will coach Baccarat for Food” sign?

The other quote that was interesting to me,

"We're all conning ourselves, one way or another, just to get through life."

With this lockdown I know for myself it has forced me to be more introspective than usual. I think Christopher Mitchell has been hustling so much his entire adult life that he really doesn’t know who the hell he really is so he just calls himself an entrepreneur. In a lot of his videos it’s almost like he’s trying convince himself of what he is saying even more than the audience.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

This is from channel "Motivation for Mom's". Notice the misspelling of "moms", which shouldn't have an apostrophe.

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I can't even begin to tell you how bonkers this type of mistake makes me. It's bad enough if it's a one-off mistake but when it's done over and over (and in this case it's the title of a series) it melts my brain.

Why do people make this mistake? Aprostrophe-S does not pluralize anything. Some might argue that there are some exceptions such as using it for things like "the 1990's" but you actually shouldn't put the apostrophe in there. It should just be "the 1990s". No apostrophe. I've noticed that this mistake is commonly made for words that end in vowels, like "typos" will become "typo's". I guess the thinking is that the "s" looks strange after a vowel. Or people do it a lot for proper nouns like "We're the Johnson's". Again, it should just be "Johnsons."

Apostrophe-S makes something possessive. That's it.

Anyways, it's a telltale sign of stupidity. And Stacey is clearly a fucking imbecile.

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BTW, Christopher makes this mistake also in his YouTube title cards. But clearly Stacy doesn't know the difference, or she wouldn't have allowed that mistake to remain in the name of her own channel!

The extraneous apostrophe has always tilted me, too. Like you, I never even understood how the mistake comes to occur. If someoneis going to make an apostrophe mistake, you'd think it would be forgetting (or not knowing) to use it, rather than putting it where it clearly doesn't belong.

The only one I've seen which is grammatically incorrect but probably appropriate is the team name "Oakland A's", because otherwise there would be too much confusion reading it as "Oakland As".

When Ben's mom and I reconnected on Facebook after over 16 years, we eventually talked on the phone, and during one of our first phone calls, I said, "You know what grammatical mistake really irritates me the most, and is usually the sign of someone really uneducated?" Before I could tell her, she replied, "I bet I know what it is! It's when people put an apostrophe-S on the end of a plural word!"

Right then, I though, "I really need to go out with this girl."

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Originally Posted by JeffDime

I was watching American Hustle last night for probably the 10th time and two quotes from Christian Bale’s character resonated with me. If you haven’t seen it Christian Bale plays a con artist only about 1,000 times more skilled than Christopher Mitchell.

"The crazy thing about people is the more you say, "No", the more they want in."

There was a clear shift (Big Surprise) in Mitchell’s strategy on his last livestream. He claims he’s at the point where he is so rich he may not do the one on one coaching anymore (sure bro). If he does he may not take half on the back end now. Maybe he’ll take just $500 because his time is so valuable. Of course he still wants to know exactly when you are planning on coming to Vegas because he may just find the time out of his very busy schedule to help you out (LOL). Personally, I think he is way too shitty of a con artist to pull off the suave soft sell.

So for the record since the casinos have closed here are the following changes in his advertised price for his one on one coaching,

$2500 flat fee
$1500 flat fee
50% of winnings
Not sure if he’ll have time(smh) but maybe he’ll take $500 or so on the back end

Been a while since economics class but I would say the drastic downward slope in the price-point is evidence of a steep drop in Demand. What’s next for Christoper Mitchell Professional Gambler Enterprises? A going out of Business Sale? Can I expect to see him on the strip holding a “Will coach Baccarat for Food” sign?

The other quote that was interesting to me,

"We're all conning ourselves, one way or another, just to get through life."

With this lockdown I know for myself it has forced me to be more introspective than usual. I think Christopher Mitchell has been hustling so much his entire adult life that he really doesn’t know who the hell he really is so he just calls himself an entrepreneur. In a lot of his videos it’s almost like he’s trying convince himself of what he is saying even more than the audience.

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I've actually always wondered how much Christopher believes the BS he's selling. Clearly he knows he doesn't make the money he claims, but he might actually believe that his strategies are +EV, and that he's just been really unlucky to have some of those big losses which have eaten his roll.

This might explain why he's wiling to play with his own money alongside his students. It's possible that he just has a gambling addiction, though, and knows deep down that his strategies are bullshit. He also might know that his strategies are -EV, but figures that Martingale's "strength" is that it only loses once in awhile (though it's big when it does), so he feels he just needs to run off a bunch in a row and fade the bad sessions for awhile. I would love to know what's really in his head -- and what's in Stacy's head.

The reduction in price is definitely related to a lack of "students". Some of that lack of students must be due to the closure of casinos and the massive job loss lately, but it also might be that the pond of fish is drying up. Notice his videos don't get a tremendous number of views, and a lot of those views come from people who are just laughing at him (such as everyone on this forum, and everyone who watches Kevin's channel.)

He might be running out of real paying customers.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

This is from channel "Motivation for Mom's". Notice the misspelling of "moms", which shouldn't have an apostrophe.

But let's ignore that for now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0mtYGE5skY


She sounds very much like Christopher, and the title card of the video is the identical style to Christopher's. I believe this whole thing was probably his idea. Not sure what her angle is. Maybe to sell her "divorce" book that she wrote awhile back?

Really appears she's reading a prepared speech. You can tell between the 3 and 4 minute mark where she oddly pauses between some words.

Her story involving Christopher starts at 9:32.

At 11:13 she talks about the custody battle she had with her ex-husband.

She claims "my daughter goes back and forth between my ex and I" at around the 17 minute mark. I don't believe that. We've never seen her in any of the videos, and she lives 2000 miles away from her daughter. In most custody cases, both parents are required to stay in state if they wish to maintain any custody of the child. They don't ship kids back and forth 2000 miles to see each parent, especially if one parent voluntarilt gets up and moves away as Stacy did.

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Stacy's getting exposed, video should be ready by 11pm my time, juicy info

He said in today's video that there's less then 1% chance in losing 6 straight banker bets. I've just posted in my forum and now here, can someone lmk exact odds of losing 6 straight banker bets is?

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Originally Posted by Dustin Mc

He said in today's video that there's less then 1% chance in losing 6 straight banker bets. I've just posted in my forum and now here, can someone lmk exact odds of losing 6 straight banker bets is?

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May have to consult the Wizard or Odds on that because of its slight favoritism over player and the ties being pushes. As a rule to lose 6 hands in a row in close to 50/50 game (we know it’s not but the number will be close) to lose 5 in a row is about 4%, 6 is about 2.2% and it gets to around 1% if you got to 7 losses not 6.

Now what his vapid ass doesn’t get is we are talking about the beginning of a sequence. Since the ties push, banker wins 50.68% of the time when there is a decision, and player wins 49.32%. Every hand stands on its own. So when he gets to his 6th Martingale he has a just about a 50/50 chance of losing if he bets the banker. But he doesn’t care to understand probability so he’s going to say I have a 98% chance of winning that sixth hand.

It looks like there has been a movement of people pushing back against this new fad of selling baccarat strategies that are nonsense. I’m not going to start in on this guy right now. He uses fancy words to “cash flow” as he says but in reality he Martingales with a huge bankroll online that may be real or not. His videos are edited from what I’ve seen. Looks like we got another butt-hurt baccarat system peddler.

Everything in this video is 100% true, she's over 3K behind on child support last 3 months

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP_U...ature=youtu.be

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Originally Posted by Dustin Mc

He said in today's video that there's less then 1% chance in losing 6 straight banker bets. I've just posted in my forum and now here, can someone lmk exact odds of losing 6 straight banker bets is?

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The player wins 44.62% of the time, and the banker wins 45.85% of the time. Ties come the other 9.53% of the time. This means that when there's not a tie, the player wins 49.32% of those, while the banker wins 50.68%.

So basically we are looking at what the odds are of 6 consecutive of those 49.32% player bets hitting without a banker bet winning (ties ignored). That's 0.4932^6 = 0.0143926. This means that there is a 1.44% chance of 6 banker bets losing without a win. So he's not super far off, but it's nowhere near "less than 1%".

Also, with just 50 bets, he is likely to run into a 6-game losing streak at some point.

https://www.soccerwidow.com/wp-conte...alculation.png



In short, huge LOL at anyone trying to Martingale where losing 6 in a row is considered ruinous.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TxUTvfVtNE

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TxUTvfVtNE

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I don’t want to get in the weeds on his money counter but I would bet 14K that he would put every single $100 bill he had through that thing. He may have had 14K & change and realized if he put a crooked number in there it would be obvious that’s all he had.