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I agree, Mumbles.
Hillary's comment immediately reminded me of Romney and the 47% thing, except she made it in public!
Romney made his in private, but was naive enough to believe that he was around "supporters" and that no one would record it and distribute it.
I don't know why Hillary is doing this. All she's going to do is energize Trump's base to show up and vote for him.
Also reminds me a bit of the lesson David Cone learned in the 1988 NLCS, when playing for the Mets versus the Dodgers.
David Cone trashed the Dodgers, and several players specifically, in a newspaper interview.
The Dodgers bought copies of the article and pinned it all over the locker room. The players were furious and went out with extra furor against Cone, who pitched Game 2. They battered him for 5 runs in 2 innings.
Afterwards, it was widely considered to have been a mistake on the part of Cone, who was facing the Dodgers up 1-0 in the series, in New York, and up against the team's 4th best starting pitcher.
http://weareoutofink.blogspot.com/20...1988-nlcs.html
Cone later apologized.
The bottom line is that you should never do anything to artificially energize your opponent -- or in this case -- the voters supporting your opponent.
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Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Seriously? Romney insulted half of America, you know, the people who he was trying to get to vote for him. Hillary insulted Trump supporters, who have already decided not to vote for her. Do you not see the difference?
And saying that only half of Trump's supporters are racist assholes is being nice. The reality is more like 75%.
everyone is a little racist.Quote:
Originally Posted by DirtyB
Hillary's comment was pure gamesmanship and a total masterstroke. She literally told the truth. That's unprecedented in US politics.
Romney's comment was stupid because he was discussing campaign strategy in a setting which was only semi-private, and it came back to bite him.Quote:
Originally Posted by DirtyBQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Seriously? Romney insulted half of America, you know, the people who he was trying to get to vote for him. Hillary insulted Trump supporters, who have already decided not to vote for her. Do you not see the difference?
And saying that only half of Trump's supporters are racist assholes is being nice. The reality is more like 75%.
I understood what he was trying to say -- that the 47% of Americans receiving some form of public assistance are unlikely to vote for him, so the campaign should spend its time, money, and energy on the other 53%. These discussions occur on BOTH sides of all campaigns, where it is intentionally decided to "ignore" a certain segment of the population campaign-wise, as such efforts/money would be wasted.
That's all Romney was sayng, yet he stupidly said it in a setting where someone could record him, put it on the internet, and it would be very easy to take out of context (or at the very least, drum up concerns that he doesn't care about half the country).
Hillary actually went out and stated publicly that a large portion of Trump supporters are "deplorable".
While it's true that none of these "deplorables" were going to vote for her anyway, this also energizes them to actually show up to vote.
Campaign Strategy 101 states that you never, never, never insult any segment of the voting population, even your opponent's voters. You insult the candidate, but not the voters.
It's unprecedented to energize the voters on the other side against you, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
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Originally Posted by Dan DruffIt's unprecedented to energize the voters on the other side against you, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
I think that she galvanized people she wasnt going to get votes from against her, and in doing so threw down the gauntlet at the undecideds, who are now forced to choose between her or the Idiocracy Party.
And thats a brilliant gambit.
More importantly it spells out a vital message to her constituents; your vote wont be forgotten. "If you back Trump, thats who you are and you wont find a warm welcome after you stagger out of the political woods, bloody and starved and scared and cold. So measure twice and cut once."
And thats an important message. People backing a neo-Nazi should be aware of the consequences of their actions.
Also this clearly wasnt an off the cuff rant, her strategists were Johnny on the spot at every talking engagement, responding to complaints from ass-hurt Republicans staring into the void with literally "The truth hurts".
I dont agree with all her postures and she definitely needs a heat lamp and an electric rock on Air Force One because cold blooded creatures cant regulate their own body heat, but Hillary might be the single greatest politician I've seen in my lifetime. Pretty sure our Security is going to be in good hands with her.
People vote democrat because their money is tied to the party not failing. How do you calculate how many of the Democratic ticket supporters are racist, yet vote that way because their prosperity demands it?Quote:
Originally Posted by DirtyBQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Seriously? Romney insulted half of America, you know, the people who he was trying to get to vote for him. Hillary insulted Trump supporters, who have already decided not to vote for her. Do you not see the difference?
And saying that only half of Trump's supporters are racist assholes is being nice. The reality is more like 75%.
Oh, and, binders full of women.
Just pray you don't have to rely on her at 3am to call for back-up to save your ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
people voting in their interests is a foreign concept
At least we still have the opportunity to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krypt
Was your life better before Obama?Quote:
Originally Posted by 4DragonsAt least we still have the opportunity to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krypt
but only one more time amiriteQuote:
Originally Posted by 4DragonsAt least we still have the opportunity to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krypt
It was better before Clinton.Quote:
Originally Posted by adamantiumWas your life better before Obama?Quote:
Originally Posted by 4Dragons
The choice between this socialist and that globalist and that communist isn't really a choice, unless you happen to be from the 'spread the pain evenly' lemming-set.Quote:
Originally Posted by blakebut only one more time amiriteQuote:
Originally Posted by 4Dragons
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Originally Posted by 4DragonsIt was better before Clinton.Quote:
Originally Posted by adamantium
Yeah high school was awesome Im sure.
Then you were doing it wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4DragonsIt was better before Clinton.Quote:
Originally Posted by adamantium
yikes, that was like 23 years ago... if your life's been in a downhill trajectory for the past 23 years, then i don't blame you for wanting to blow the country up and put trump inQuote:
Originally Posted by 4DragonsIt was better before Clinton.Quote:
Originally Posted by adamantium
which one of those is trump? cause you also said that if trump wins, he would be the last president ever, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4DragonsThe choice between this socialist and that globalist and that communist isn't really a choice, unless you happen to be from the 'spread the pain evenly' lemming-set.Quote:
Originally Posted by blake
I mean you're a stupid cunt, but honestly things have never been better or looked better for my future. That being said with the stacking of NAFTA and the TPP, in the period that I have been employing others to do work for me, I will never hire an American ever again.Quote:
Originally Posted by blakeyikes, that was like 23 years ago... if your life's been in a downhill trajectory for the past 23 years, then i don't blame you for wanting to blow the country up and put trump inQuote:
Originally Posted by 4Dragons
Which one would start a war so the US intentionally fails, and foreign invaders put the last communist nail into us? Which side cheers for totalitarian globalism?Quote:
Originally Posted by blakewhich one of those is trump? cause you also said that if trump wins, he would be the last president ever, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4Dragons
lol chang getting called a cunt he basically is super bitchy but thats out of line bro
Honestly there are people in this world who have never been cornered and taught some manners that their mom obviously forgot.Quote:
Originally Posted by lol wow
I didn't galvanize me even if I know it to be true. Because the president I want for my country is someone who *doesn't* "Other"-ize a substantial portion of my fellow Americans, even if I vehemently disagree with them on matters such as race, religious prejudice, etc. And that she spoke it speaks volumes for how Hilldawg tone-deafly vocalizes that she considers those folks as beneath her and her supporters. Dammit! That is not what this country is meant to stand for! I don't want the leader of the US to treat ANY of my fellow citizens that way, even if they are racists, homophobes, etc.!Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatineQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
I think that she galvanized people she wasnt going to get votes from against her, and in doing so threw down the gauntlet at the undecideds, who are now forced to choose between her or the Idiocracy Party.
And thats a brilliant gambit.
More importantly it spells out a vital message to her constituents; your vote wont be forgotten. "If you back Trump, thats who you are and you wont find a warm welcome after you stagger out of the political woods, bloody and starved and scared and cold. So measure twice and cut once."
And thats an important message. People backing a neo-Nazi should be aware of the consequences of their actions.
Because how far is that attitude away from debating setting rights based on some kind of mind policing based on those beliefs? Because that openly-expressed attitude by the top political leader of the country legitimizes considering taking away some rights based on such mind policing. That's a big reason why I deplore the notion of Trump becoming president. He has built so much of his campaign on such Otherizing. And such Otherizing is the first step towards enacting totalitarian policies, be they fascist or leftist.
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Originally Posted by MumblesBadlyI didn't galvanize me even if I know it to be true. Because the president I want for my country is someone who *doesn't* "Other"-ize a substantial portion of my fellow Americans, even if I vehemently disagree with them on matters such as race, religious prejudice, etc. And that she spoke it speaks volumes for how Hilldawg tone-deafly vocalizes that she considers those folks as beneath her and her supporters. Dammit! That is not what this country is meant to stand for! I don't want the leader of the US to treat ANY of my fellow citizens that way, even if they are racists, homophobes, etc.!Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Because how far is that attitude away from debating setting rights based on some kind of mind policing based on those beliefs? Because that openly-expressed attitude by the top political leader of the country legitimizes considering taking away some rights based on such mind policing. That's a big reason why I deplore the notion of Trump becoming president. He has built so much of his campaign on such Otherizing. And such Otherizing is the first step towards enacting totalitarian policies, be they fascist or leftist.
Honestly garrett shut up.
ok cool, glad to hear you're thriving and i didn't touch a nerve or anythingQuote:
Originally Posted by 4DragonsI mean you're a stupid cunt, but honestly things have never been better or looked better for my future. That being said with the stacking of NAFTA and the TPP, in the period that I have been employing others to do work for me, I will never hire an American ever again.Quote:
Originally Posted by blake
yeah you're doing your answering questions with questions thing again, but just to reiterate, you said that no matter who gets elected, it would be the last president ever, so please go back to your bunkerQuote:
Originally Posted by 4DragonsWhich one would start a war so the US intentionally fails, and foreign invaders put the last communist nail into us? Which side cheers for totalitarian globalism?Quote:
Originally Posted by blake
What she said is true.
youre mexican right
like literally 80 percent of your country is deplorables
There is a difference between will be and could be. That you need to put words in my mouth like a good little lefty lemming is not only not surprising but totally expected. Liars, leeches and thieves - the wheelhouse of the left.Quote:
Originally Posted by blakeyeah you're doing your answering questions with questions thing again, but just to reiterate, you said that no matter who gets elected, it would be the last president ever, so please go back to your bunkerQuote:
Originally Posted by 4Dragons
Now take the rest of your kind and continue off the cliff.
you fit right in you fucking lowlifeQuote:
Originally Posted by lol wow
lol okay mexican
ok, in full disclosure, 4d didn't say we "would" be electing a ruler for life, but only said that we "may be electing a ruler for life," which is totally normal and doesn't make him look like an insane personQuote:
Originally Posted by 4DragonsThere is a difference between will be and could be. That you need to put words in my mouth like a good little lefty lemming is not only not surprising but totally expected. Liars, leeches and thieves - the wheelhouse of the left.Quote:
Originally Posted by blake