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Unless the money is life changing, making the final table with those chips and finishing where he did just plain sucks. Maybe you would have to go through it to understand it, but it's not a good feeling.Quote:
Originally Posted by anonamoose
I almost neg'd you for this, but the rest of the post made it somewhat ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sidewinder
Still this is an absolutely retarded statement.
I agree and I think Tuckman was picking up on the negativity and that's why he was seemingly coaching Baker into the direction of "constructive criticism".Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
I don't know if other people noticed it or not as well but I think Tuckman was doing a pretty good job at trying to do damage control on that situation. He was constantly defending Todd's pauses and other plays.
It's not a good feeling.Quote:
Originally Posted by SidewinderUnless the money is life changing, making the final table with those chips and finishing where he did just plain sucks. Maybe you would have to go through it to understand it, but it's not a good feeling.Quote:
Originally Posted by anonamoose
Yesterday could have been worse, but it also could have been a lot better. I wasn't EXPECTING to win by any means (Bardah was in a virtual tie in chips after Day 2, and I knew I'd have to keep getting lucky to win the whole thing), but I was really hoping this would be the end of my long, 8-year wait for my second bracelet.
When it came down to things, it just wasn't my day to win. I kind of knew it after Moore rivered that Q on me. I also kind of knew it when I was struggling from the very start. I kept trading wins and losses in pots during most of the day, and this helped me survive while people were busting VERY slowly (Bardah commented that players were heads-up last year during the 13000/25000 blinds level, while we were still 6 handed). Unfortunately I was never dominating yesterday, and at my best point had a tiny chiplead at one point at the final table fairly early.
During the dinner break, I was the short stack (182k) while Bardah had 770k and was ahead of 2nd chipleader by almost 300k. Bardah's friends were telling him, "You got this", "It's yours", etc, and Bardah looked very unhappy.
"You realize that I have about 13 big bets, right? (He actually had 15, but same thing.) It's brutal. A few bad hands and I'm in trouble. Last year they were heads up at this point. Nobody is busting this year, and now the structure is awful for the whole table. I don't like this."
He was right, and that put an end to him in 3rd place when Nassif was suddenly hitting every hand.
I bet Bardah feels worse than I do.
Druff- What is your opinion on Greg Mueller? He clearly has done well at the WSOP in limit games but he also seems like a very relaxed and easy to get along with type of guy too? At least that is the impression I get from watching him play.
Druff nice work getting to the FT
On the other hand quit wasting your time on typing about the commentary. On PFA most of us side with you but honestly the more you go off on a month long forum/radio rant, the less I wish to congratulate you.
It's easy to sound like a whiner when you cash for more than many make in a year but the stone-cold truth is it really really sucks and the people congratulating you don't mean anything by it; they just don't get understand it.
Watching the final table was supremely tilting - from the spectacular refusal of anyone to go broke to the ODB slights.
I was able to watch a bit of the final table on the ESPN3 stream and Nassif was running ultra good. He was getting hands and more importantly the board was treating him like a Persian prince. Druff just wasn't getting the cards he needed, he did make a few good laydowns that lesser players may not have made.
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Originally Posted by Dan DruffIt's not a good feeling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sidewinder
Yesterday could have been worse, but it also could have been a lot better. I wasn't EXPECTING to win by any means (Bardah was in a virtual tie in chips after Day 2, and I knew I'd have to keep getting lucky to win the whole thing), but I was really hoping this would be the end of my long, 8-year wait for my second bracelet.
When it came down to things, it just wasn't my day to win. I kind of knew it after Moore rivered that Q on me. I also kind of knew it when I was struggling from the very start. I kept trading wins and losses in pots during most of the day, and this helped me survive while people were busting VERY slowly (Bardah commented that players were heads-up last year during the 13000/25000 blinds level, while we were still 6 handed). Unfortunately I was never dominating yesterday, and at my best point had a tiny chiplead at one point at the final table fairly early.
During the dinner break, I was the short stack (182k) while Bardah had 770k and was ahead of 2nd chipleader by almost 300k. Bardah's friends were telling him, "You got this", "It's yours", etc, and Bardah looked very unhappy.
"You realize that I have about 13 big bets, right? (He actually had 15, but same thing.) It's brutal. A few bad hands and I'm in trouble. Last year they were heads up at this point. Nobody is busting this year, and now the structure is awful for the whole table. I don't like this."
He was right, and that put an end to him in 3rd place when Nassif was suddenly hitting every hand.
I bet Bardah feels worse than I do.
The structure was terrible late in this because everyone hung around and kept getting new life. Maybe they should consider capping the limits in all flhe tourneys.
Obv a lot of luck goes into these things but the final 6 was an absolute crapshoot and more or less came down to how got hot the quickest
Did David Baker play a lot of online poker? Was he a fixed limit player? Never really heard of him till he started cashing in the big live mtts
Can someone convert this into a Youtube or something? It is brutal not being able to pause or fast forward this.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker
The only way I know would be to start it up and a start up a screen recorder and let it run it's course.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffCan someone convert this into a Youtube or something? It is brutal not being able to pause or fast forward this.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker
It's over 10 hours and would be hard to grab off the site so unfortunately I'm not sure anyone could do that. ESPN is clearly just putting them up but would be nice if someone took 10 minutes to edit out the breaks which is all it should take.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffCan someone convert this into a Youtube or something? It is brutal not being able to pause or fast forward this.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker
I can fast forward and pause it just fine on my laptop it just takes a few seconds waiting whenever I do either action.
Where do you fast forward? I don't see the controls to do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeerAndPokerIt's over 10 hours and would be hard to grab off the site so unfortunately I'm not sure anyone could do that. ESPN is clearly just putting them up but would be nice if someone took 10 minutes to edit out the breaks which is all it should take.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
I can fast forward and pause it just fine on my laptop it just takes a few seconds waiting whenever I do either action.
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Originally Posted by Dan Druff
See the white line below the picture screen that has the red in the left corner that is the bar you move to skip forward and then the play arrow below that you click to pause.
yeah you can just click ahead on the stream to skip ahead.
They have the option as well on the watchespn app on a phone but the bar is at the top of the screen.
So weird. I don't have those controls. Will try on a different browser.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeerAndPokerQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
See the white line below the picture screen that has the red in the left corner that is the bar you move to skip forward and then the play arrow below that you click to pause.
I noticed that, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by anonamooseI agree and I think Tuckman was picking up on the negativity and that's why he was seemingly coaching Baker into the direction of "constructive criticism".Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
I don't know if other people noticed it or not as well but I think Tuckman was doing a pretty good job at trying to do damage control on that situation. He was constantly defending Todd's pauses and other plays.
I first saw this come up in the hand where I had As2s against Ben Yu's AQ.
Flop came JcTc8c which was about as bad as possible for my hand. (Seriously, can you think of worse?)
So obviously there was nothing to think about, but does that mean I have to snap-fold and give away info about my holdings and range from that position?
No. I would be an idiot to do that, especially at a final table.
So I took a few seconds to act like I was thinking, and then threw it away.
If I stalled for 60 seconds with this fake decision, Baker would have a point. That's excessive, and it's just slowing down the game. However, taking 5-10 seconds occasionally for a "fake think" regarding a fold is not going to cause any significant delay in play.
The snide "classic Witteles" comment about this was both obnoxious and incorrect. I am not known for unreasonable stalling or slow play either live or online, so I don't know what was "classic" about this harmless move that wasted a whole 5 seconds.
If anyone took too long to act it was Nassif in numerous hands which don't get me wrong they were key hands for him but the thing is I think he knew much longer before he finally folded that eventually that was going to be his action and it was like he was trying to talk himself into calling but realized it wasn't in his stacks best interest.
[QUOTE=Dan Druff;165086]did anyone pick up the comment by baker?Quote:
Originally Posted by anonamoose
''druff is a beast''
i disagree and take offence to that comment, as i thought druff lost a considerable amount of weight
[QUOTE=fluffer;165114]I heard that near the beginning then he took some cheap shots at Druff but some were him disagreeing with how Druff played certain hands.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Their are a lot of times in poker when hands can be played in various ways where not one way is correct or even most optimal.
From watching it today as I tried to skip through to just hands Druff played and listen afterward I could understand at times where David Baker was coming from in some theories of his but he was a bit too harsh with his criticism too imo.
Just heard Bakers comments on the pause. CLEARLY he was taking a shot @ Druff in some way saying "we limit hold em players just play, none of this hollywood crap" but if it was his buddy from commerce who paused for a slight few seconds then he would have been the first to in there saying how great and how composed the kid is by not giving away anything. I know what he means as far as hands playing themselves because most do in LHE at the top levels but a 3 sec pause didn't warrant the comments he gave IMO.
Just watched the thing now & agree this Baker fag had it in for Druff. But you know what tilted me even more was how Baker was always raving about that twink kid. Made it sound like he wanted to take the guy up to his room after the event was over. I mean yeah David we get it, you have friends from Commerce but try to at least pretend you arent in the booth just to suck off your buddies & bash the guy you dont like. Cant comment on the strategy part cuz I know little about limit but if anything druff acted the fastest at the table and to go off on him for stalling is weak.
Oh and druff good job. Yeah you didnt win and im sure u are disappointed but remember you made a final table at a really hard event & you barely played anything so far, & you know someone else who can only seem to cash at all american daves.
That's one thing I forgot in my post above. I watched for about an hr or 2 and thought Baker was very solid with breaking down the hands etc...Quote:
Originally Posted by Cokehead
crap tom schinder is 3rd in the 2-7 single draw event...
guy's a fucking machine...
Druff FT a 5k limit and no freeroll?
Cmon druff throw some shekels up in dis bitch.
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Originally Posted by Dan Druff
They justified this a few times by saying pros can take such criticism, but it came off as petty after a while.
Something people might or might not know is Jared Hamby who won the $1500 NL event today and was mentioned on radio tonight his girlfriend is Lizzy Harrison. I'm not sure how long they've been together but it's been a little while I believe.
Lizzy went deep in the Millionaire Maker this year too. I forget what place she got but it was somewhere in the Top 100 I believe.
Hamby ran REALLY well in the HU portion.
With Q3o vs 910o, and a flop of Q 9 10, a few raises later, and a shove by Hamby. turn 2, river 2. Hamby would have been out, but ended up moving into the chip lead. A race at the end where he caught on the turn secured the win.
Lizzy recently got divorced, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker
I don't think it was related to Jared.
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Originally Posted by Dan DruffLizzy recently got divorced, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker
I don't think it was related to Jared.
http://i.imgur.com/q9tLavv.jpg
i would have divorced her too if i had to look at those disgusting breasts
So your saying you would marry Lizzy with her breasts like they are not up to your taste?Quote:
Originally Posted by flufferi would have divorced her too if i had to look at those disgusting breastsQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
english second language?Quote:
Originally Posted by BeerAndPokerSo your saying you would marry Lizzy with her breasts like they are not up to your taste?Quote:
Originally Posted by fluffer
http://i.imgur.com/Jgcnsv4.jpg
bad boob job, mankles, tiny disproportionate feet, masculine jawline, chipmunk cheeks, lifeless hair, repulsive knees
No, I'm leveling you and if you can't figure out what I meant then I'm not going to explain it to you except I will say go read your own post again.Quote:
Originally Posted by flufferenglish second language?Quote:
Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker
http://i.imgur.com/Jgcnsv4.jpg
bad boob job, mankles, tiny disproportionate feet, masculine jawline, chipmunk cheeks, lifeless hair, repulsive knees
I tried watching this but once i figured out they tell you how much your allowed to bet i couldnt take it anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker
David Bakes Baker (not the commentator) is at the FT of the 10k 2-7 which is his 4th final table of the Series.
He has 2 bracelets.
Tough but fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by fluffer
You left out her pointy elbows.
imo she's trying to hide them.
Todd's out.
gg sir.
david ''old'' baker comes across as a douche with a chip on his shoulder, especially after ppl consistently congratulate him on his recent successesQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffI noticed that, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by anonamoose
I first saw this come up in the hand where I had As2s against Ben Yu's AQ.
Flop came JcTc8c which was about as bad as possible for my hand. (Seriously, can you think of worse?)
So obviously there was nothing to think about, but does that mean I have to snap-fold and give away info about my holdings and range from that position?
No. I would be an idiot to do that, especially at a final table.
So I took a few seconds to act like I was thinking, and then threw it away.
If I stalled for 60 seconds with this fake decision, Baker would have a point. That's excessive, and it's just slowing down the game. However, taking 5-10 seconds occasionally for a "fake think" regarding a fold is not going to cause any significant delay in play.
The snide "classic Witteles" comment about this was both obnoxious and incorrect. I am not known for unreasonable stalling or slow play either live or online, so I don't know what was "classic" about this harmless move that wasted a whole 5 seconds.
''sorry, thats not me, thats the other baker''
one can tell from his recent interviews that he is somewhat irritated at being confused with the younger and more accomplished baker
btw jeff lissandro channeling tony soprano in the 2-7 draw lowball event
That is why they call it limit.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShadyJI tried watching this but once i figured out they tell you how much your allowed to bet i couldnt take it anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker
Do you think the tourneys right now will be a lot easier / less people in general?
$3k no limit ends today
$1500 ante only goes until tomorrow
$3000 PLO h/l goes until tomorrow
$111,111 one drop started mid day today
$2500 limit 6 handed starts 5pm today
$1500 NL starts tomorrow
$2500 10 game starts tomorrow
I would think a lot of the big boys are either deep in tourneys or playing the one drop? So tourneys like 2500 limit/1500 NL/2500 10 game would possibly be less filled with pros?