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I think you could smoke crack cocaine for a month and quit cold turkey.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Think about that for a minute before you respond. They make pills almost ten times stronger than what you're taking and you're afraid of the low dosage.
honestly if you suffer from anxiety and you dont take xanax at least daily its basically only slightly less irresponsible than not vaccinating your child.
find your true north, get back on track, and by the time youre ready to ween off the xanax you wont even have anxiety symptoms to notice during the 'withdrawls'.
Yes, an on the surface, this makes great trolling material if you don't think about it too much, but in reality I'm being reasonable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pooh
The first 0.25mg I took of Xanax was probably more effective for me than 10mg for those who have taken it regularly for a long time.
Your body habituates to Xanax super quickly. A high percentage of users -- even occasional users -- have reported this to be true.
It is true that it's far easier to get off Xanax if the highest dose you've taken is 0.5mg.
But most people don't stop at 0.5mg because they find it quickly becomes ineffective for them.
You see how it happens.
There are plenty of reports written in respectable publications of people getting signs of Xanax addiction/withdrawal after taking it for just a week, as directed! This doesn't happen to everyone, but it's also not rare.
That's why I'm trying to be really careful with it, and space out the usage of it by a week. In 2 weeks I will probably take 0.5mg instead of 0.25 for a particularly difficult medical test, but I really don't want to ever go above 0.5, even if it stops being very effective.
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Originally Posted by sonatine
Come on now. Funny but come on.
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Originally Posted by Dan DruffYes, an on the surface, this makes great trolling material if you don't think about it too much, but in reality I'm being reasonable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pooh
The first 0.25mg I took of Xanax was probably more effective for me than 10mg for those who have taken it regularly for a long time.
Your body habituates to Xanax super quickly. A high percentage of users -- even occasional users -- have reported this to be true.
It is true that it's far easier to get off Xanax if the highest dose you've taken is 0.5mg.
But most people don't stop at 0.5mg because they find it quickly becomes ineffective for them.
You see how it happens.
There are plenty of reports written in respectable publications of people getting signs of Xanax addiction/withdrawal after taking it for just a week, as directed! This doesn't happen to everyone, but it's also not rare.
That's why I'm trying to be really careful with it, and space out the usage of it by a week. In 2 weeks I will probably take 0.5mg instead of 0.25 for a particularly difficult medical test, but I really don't want to ever go above 0.5, even if it stops being very effective.
Take it from an admitted benzo addict, you’ll never get addicted to anything with 2 on, one off. Regardless of medication I have found this foolproof.
Bro lose the scientific bullshit and other crap you've read on the internet when you're talking to me about Xanax. I know Xanax. I've taken a lot of Xanax in my time and I can still get what I need from a .25 dosage. It doesn't quickly become ineffective. It's a take as needed drug. If you need to take each day then you need to be taking a SSRI, period. I just love how you're preaching to me about a drug you've taken twice in your life and I've taken probably 200 over the past six years. Honestly, I just can't stand you citing these studies when you have a forum full of pill heads who are more than happy to tell you what really happens when you take the drug.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffYes, an on the surface, this makes great trolling material if you don't think about it too much, but in reality I'm being reasonable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pooh
The first 0.25mg I took of Xanax was probably more effective for me than 10mg for those who have taken it regularly for a long time.
Your body habituates to Xanax super quickly. A high percentage of users -- even occasional users -- have reported this to be true.
It is true that it's far easier to get off Xanax if the highest dose you've taken is 0.5mg.
But most people don't stop at 0.5mg because they find it quickly becomes ineffective for them.
You see how it happens.
There are plenty of reports written in respectable publications of people getting signs of Xanax addiction/withdrawal after taking it for just a week, as directed! This doesn't happen to everyone, but it's also not rare.
That's why I'm trying to be really careful with it, and space out the usage of it by a week. In 2 weeks I will probably take 0.5mg instead of 0.25 for a particularly difficult medical test, but I really don't want to ever go above 0.5, even if it stops being very effective.
OK. That makes sense. I remember the #3 thing now. Too bad it's the LPR wouldn't allow the normal easier/faster test..Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffI have three issues right now. I've wavered back and forth as to which is most important and which should garner the most attention, but here's how it currently stands:Quote:
Originally Posted by Forum Wars
1) The LPR. The lump is unpleasant but I can deal with it. I'm almost used to it by now. It's the problems that go with it -- the choking when lying down (the worst part), the voice hoarseness, and the throat clearing -- which are most bothersome. I also feel that drove the anxiety to show up.
2) The anxiety. This may or may not lessen if the LPR is brought under control. This actually causes me a greater day-to-day problem than the LPR itself, but I feel it's smartest to focus upon treating the root cause of the anxiety.
3) A third potential problem I haven't discussed out here, which was revealed through blood test and ultrasound. This one is of the variety of, "Very serious if it's what's going on, but is a lot more likely to be nothing or something relatively minor." The problem is that testing for this isn't easy when you have LPR and anxiety, as you have to lie down completely flat to do it, and it takes a long time. I will be doing a different form of this test (also not easy) later this month or early next month.
It is not likely that the LPR/anxiety is related to #3. It seems that #3 was just discovered because of the extensive testing I did, which otherwise I wouldn't have done if I felt fine.
I just mentioned allergies because my father just *yesterday* FINALLY got around to doing an allergy test to find he's allergic to dust mites. He had a horrendous tickling cough that would happen on intervals and only sometimes/some seasons and for some reason he did everthing (including investigating whether it was GERD, he tried regular Gaviscon which was just meh for him). Anyways, some day I suggest you just pop 1 single Claritin to see if that does anything...the relief is sort of instant if the inflamation is because of histamines caused by allergies. WHY NOT. Can't hurt/you can't get addicted to Claritin. Basically the dust mite allergy caused him to have allergic rhinitis which caused his interval-cough. Maybe histamines are causing your inflamation in a similar fashion.
This is why you get trolled. Comments like this. BCR was addicted to these things. You give him 10 mg in his hey day and you'll be able to ass fuck him for a day before he even realizes what you're doing, or he'd be dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffYes, an on the surface, this makes great trolling material if you don't think about it too much, but in reality I'm being reasonable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pooh
The first 0.25mg I took of Xanax was probably more effective for me than 10mg for those who have taken it regularly for a long time.
Your body habituates to Xanax super quickly. A high percentage of users -- even occasional users -- have reported this to be true.
It is true that it's far easier to get off Xanax if the highest dose you've taken is 0.5mg.
But most people don't stop at 0.5mg because they find it quickly becomes ineffective for them.
You see how it happens.
There are plenty of reports written in respectable publications of people getting signs of Xanax addiction/withdrawal after taking it for just a week, as directed! This doesn't happen to everyone, but it's also not rare.
That's why I'm trying to be really careful with it, and space out the usage of it by a week. In 2 weeks I will probably take 0.5mg instead of 0.25 for a particularly difficult medical test, but I really don't want to ever go above 0.5, even if it stops being very effective.
Here's my challenge to you. Let's get this anxiety thing under control then worry about the alleged LPR because, in my opinion, your problem isn't LPR, it's between your ears.
True story. Once upon a time I had a chest pain that was in the middle to slightly left side of my chest. No matter what I did it wouldn't subside. As I read what the problem could be online it became worse. I noticed that when I drank the pain went away. It also went away if I took a Xanax. Turns out the pain was in my head. Oh it was present in my chest but it was caused by my head exclusively. If the brain and heart got into a fight the brain would win every time. You don't fuck with the brain.
What I'm saying is I believe you had some throat irritation which caused you to have a choking sensation when you lied down that one time. Then your brain took over and you're where you are now. Get the anxiety figured out.
You can build up to 10mg but it takes something like 5+ years even if you're completely barred out every day. And you can't really kill anyone with 10mg. With Xanax alone it's almost impossible. You'll pass out before you're even close to a lethal dose.Quote:
Originally Posted by PoohThis is why you get trolled. Comments like this. BCR was addicted to these things. You give him 10 mg in his hey day and you'll be able to ass fuck him for a day before he even realizes what you're doing, or he'd be dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
You can stop breathing if you mix it with alcohol and/or opiates, but in that cocktail Xanax does the least. It potentiates other intoxicants that can kill you on their own.
That last line is WRONG like Trump says it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pooh
Talking from experience. Your heart can kill your joyride any day it wants.
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You just didn't understand what I wrote, which is completely understandable, since you're a retarded drunk asshole from Canada. It isn't your fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by limitlesThat last line is WRONG like Trump says it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pooh
Talking from experience. Your heart can kill your joyride any day it wants.
Mumbles 1 - Pooh 0
I love it when someone says something stupid and can't own up to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by PoohYou just didn't understand what I wrote, which is completely understandable, since you're a retarded drunk asshole from Canada. It isn't your fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by limitles
It's funny that dumb can't recognize itself
Do you still sit on a cucumber when you post?Quote:
Originally Posted by limitlesI love it when someone says something stupid and can't own up to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pooh
It's funny that dumb can't recognize itself
Unfortunately a lot of idiot ENT doctors approach LPR this exact way, leading to a lot of frustration for patients.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pooh
There is an anxiety element to what I have, yes, but it's not just anxiety making me feel I have LPR symptoms.
The proof? There is an actual element causing voice hoarseness which wasn't there before. That can't be in my head.
The truth is that, for most people, LPR is due to a real physical cause, but the brain interprets it as worse than it actually is (because it's in the throat area), thus causing a higher sensitivity and discomfort than it should otherwise deserve.
Unfortunately, some lazy ENT doctors will dismiss people and tell them, "It's just anxiety" when there's an absence of major indications of something wrong. That's a big mistake, and it's frustrating for the patient, as he really has something real and knows it.
If I mostly solve the LPR, the anxiety may or may not improve. It is also possible that the LPR activated a sensation that my brain now knows to "go to" when something feels off, and curing the LPR may not cure the anxiety.
Unfortunately the anxiety is not easily cured, and I don't want to go down the SSRI route right now.
Fair enough. Do it your way. It's done wonders for you so far. Down, what, almost forty pounds in two months with no end in sight. Same shitty symptoms you've had since day one their strength depending on how bad the anxiety is that day. Sounds like you've got it under control. Figure out the anxiety dude and stop making excuses. That's all I got man. I tried as hard as anyone on here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffUnfortunately a lot of idiot ENT doctors approach LPR this exact way, leading to a lot of frustration for patients.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pooh
There is an anxiety element to what I have, yes, but it's not just anxiety making me feel I have LPR symptoms.
The proof? There is an actual element causing voice hoarseness which wasn't there before. That can't be in my head.
The truth is that, for most people, LPR is due to a real physical cause, but the brain interprets it as worse than it actually is (because it's in the throat area), thus causing a higher sensitivity and discomfort than it should otherwise deserve.
Unfortunately, some lazy ENT doctors will dismiss people and tell them, "It's just anxiety" when there's an absence of major indications of something wrong. That's a big mistake, and it's frustrating for the patient, as he really has something real and knows it.
If I mostly solve the LPR, the anxiety may or may not improve. It is also possible that the LPR activated a sensation that my brain now knows to "go to" when something feels off, and curing the LPR may not cure the anxiety.
Unfortunately the anxiety is not easily cured, and I don't want to go down the SSRI route right now.
There is no easy way to figure out the anxiety.Quote:
Originally Posted by PoohFair enough. Do it your way. It's done wonders for you so far. Down, what, almost forty pounds in two months with no end in sight. Same shitty symptoms you've had since day one their strength depending on how bad the anxiety is that day. Sounds like you've got it under control. Figure out the anxiety dude and stop making excuses. That's all I got man. I tried as hard as anyone on here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
I've already explained this. Can't just pop a miracle pill and make it go away.
I don't want to go the SSRI route.
Everyone's anxiety is different, and treating it is different for everyone.
Yours sounded like more of a social anxiety.
Mine is either a generalized anxiety or a PTSD.
There are no easy solutions to this.
Have you tried meditation? It's been an anxiety remedy for probably thousands of years now. It's more of a miracle pill than most miracle pills.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Psychogenic voice disorders are quite real, dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
I have tried to follow this thread and as best as i can tell a lot of you are a bunch of pill popping hypochondriacs micro analyzing there symptoms to justify a sloth way of life and excuse to medicate minor issues. I don't know of one person that takes pills for anxiety honestly am not quite sure what that feels like.
I guess i can get pretty pissed off if things arnt going my way, but i get over pretty quickly. our dentist offered my wife some adavan cause she's scared to get a bunch of work done. after reading about it she decided to have a couple shots of vodka instead, did the trick she said.
I hope you get better druff soon! have you ever seen a therapist? I like that you get outside and ski, hike. you may like to try some other activities that involve teams. stay out of gyms there really stupid.
I like playing tennis a few times a week, take a few lessons too. Pretty fun, cheep and fairly easy sport for almost anybody
edit: I like weed but i think your a little uptight for it to fix you. try to get a hold of Vegas1369 for some advice if you want to go that route
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Originally Posted by PoohFair enough. Do it your way. It's done wonders for you so far. Down, what, almost forty pounds in two months with no end in sight. Same shitty symptoms you've had since day one their strength depending on how bad the anxiety is that day. Sounds like you've got it under control. Figure out the anxiety dude and stop making excuses. That's all I got man. I tried as hard as anyone on here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
I think it’s like 98% you’re rightt, yet I happened to be the one guy who was convinced it was something worse...and it was something worse. I’m in conflict.
Listen to pooh and the idiot doctors. (not being sarcastic)
I can feel it's not psychogenic. In fact, sometimes the voice disorders come up when the anxiety and LPR are the farthest thing from my mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crowe DiddlyPsychogenic voice disorders are quite real, dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Also, redness was seen in my throat and voice box area by an ENT in August.
There is something called laryngeal sensory neuropathy (LSN) where oversensitive nerves in the larynx area cause symptoms similar to LPR. However, the main symptom of that is a chronic cough. I didn't have a cough at all for a long time, and now I only have a minor one, so I don't think it's that. The next ENT I see (a voice specialist) will see more and be able to diagnose more.
I would honestly be really shocked if nothing was wrong and this was all imagined.
BTW, thinking back, I did actually have mild LPR symptoms in years past, including a lump in my throat for about 30 minutes after I'd drink orange juice. Because it only lasted a short time, I just kinda noticed it as it would happen and would forget about it. It seems likely now that there was some LPR already happening, but it wasn't neary as bad as now, and it didn't cause any real problems.
To answer your other question, I have not yet tried meditation. To be honest, meditation is kinda not really "me", but I'm willing to try anything harmless to get rid of all of this. So I might try it at some point.
The LPR boards are full of angry people who were told for years by their doctors that their symptoms were "all in their head", only to find out they had a hiatal hernia or something else very real causing their issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by duped_samaritan
I have two separate problems which are also somewhat linked. I will not believe a doctor who barely looks at me and says, "It's just anxiety" over my own experiences, my own extensive research, and my own gut feeling on the matter.
FYI, LPR is a very real thing, and it's usually not just an "in your head" soft of malady. There is a psychological element to it (which I agree I have), but that is in addition to the physical issues, not in place of them.
I didn't know what anxiety felt like either, until August. It's not what you think it is. It's very hard or impossible to take control over your brain and overrule it when it gets in that state.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baron Von Strucker
I found that I can get minimal control now, enough to avoid a panic attack or super-heavy anxiety, but not enough to get back to "normal".
You are on the right track with the physical activity outdoors. I think some moderate exercise + being outdoors is a good temporary anxiety remedy.
We already had the pot discussion earlier in the thread. I said that THC is known to increase anxiety. Some others who have experience with pot countered that Indica is actually good for anxiety, while other strains indeed worsen it.
I am not up to doing something like that, but it isn't something I would completely rule out if it could help.
BAN
Yeah I just deleted FPS' post and kicked him out of the thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by big dick
Good he's a weird retard
And it's finally come to this
A mid 40's Man living in a plastic bubble just like Travolta in the movies
This thread is finished . The paranoid ramblings of a mentally ill man.
Yet you refuse to get an endoscopy to rule this out because you read on the internet it could make it worse. Can't make this shit up. You're a nut bag. With all due respect. You're going to have your hot water burn baby moment very soon at this rate and there's no coming back from that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffThe LPR boards are full of angry people who were told for years by their doctors that their symptoms were "all in their head", only to find out they had a hiatal hernia or something else very real causing their issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by duped_samaritan
I have two separate problems which are also somewhat linked. I will not believe a doctor who barely looks at me and says, "It's just anxiety" over my own experiences, my own extensive research, and my own gut feeling on the matter.
FYI, LPR is a very real thing, and it's usually not just an "in your head" soft of malady. There is a psychological element to it (which I agree I have), but that is in addition to the physical issues, not in place of them.
If you read the thread accurately you'd come to the conclusion that one guy is like this. The rest are quite the opposite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baron Von Strucker
Terrible answer. Meditation isnt you? Well, neither is xanax, throat lumps, and losing 30+ lbs almost overnight, amirite? You are you. Meditation is simple, you can do it almost anywhere, there are zero bad effects, and the only thing in the way is your ego.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
This isnt the 80s still. Nobody is gonna call you a fag if you do meditation or yoga. Most top athletes do some form of both. There are tons of benefits, no side effects, and you can use an app to help you if you want, but its fuckin dumb and counterproductive to stay away from it because it isnt "you."
JESUS WHAT A TRAINWRECK THREAD. MY ANON SOURCE WAS RIGHT. THIS IS A PATHETIC READ.
SMOKE A GOD DAMNED SPLIFF DRUFF.
Yeah I'm going to start trying to meditate a little myself here pretty soon. Headspace and calm apps actually. Doing it more for my golf game than anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crowe DiddlyTerrible answer. Meditation isnt you? Well, neither is xanax, throat lumps, and losing 30+ lbs almost overnight, amirite? You are you. Meditation is simple, you can do it almost anywhere, there are zero bad effects, and the only thing in the way is your ego.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
This isnt the 80s still. Nobody is gonna call you a fag if you do meditation or yoga. Most top athletes do some form of both. There are tons of benefits, no side effects, and you can use an app to help you if you want, but its fuckin dumb and counterproductive to stay away from it because it isnt "you."
I don't just take whatever invasive test a doctor asks for like a dumb idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by PoohYet you refuse to get an endoscopy to rule this out because you read on the internet it could make it worse. Can't make this shit up. You're a nut bag. With all due respect. You're going to have your hot water burn baby moment very soon at this rate and there's no coming back from that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
It's one thing to scare yourself with internet horror stories.
It's another to educate yourself with facts, risk factors, and benefits.
Here are the FACTS with endoscopies as they relate to LPR:
1) It is not uncommon for an endoscopy to bring on GERD when done for someone with just LPR.
2) Endoscopies are not a preferred diagnostic tool for LPR because they don't tell you much. They only rule things out, which other less invasive tests can do (such as the barium swallow).
3) There are other complications from endoscopies possible, including problems from the general anesthesia necessary for it.
If the endoscopy would provide the answer for my LPR, 100% I would throw caution to the wind and do it.
However, it would offer little benefit that other tests couldn't provide anwyay.
Here the risks outweigh the benefits.
It's easy to sit on the sidelines like a dumbass and comment on other people's medical conditions like you know better. Of course it's easy to just tell someone to go get an endoscopy if you don't have to live with the consequences of something getting fucked up further.
You know, I'm starting to get pissed off here.
I've spent over 100 hours researching everything related to both LPR and anxiety (especially LPR).
I'm not talking about reading WebMD like a paranoid retard.
I'm talking about reading so many pieces of information from so many sources, including medical journals and papers.
This is not an easy thing to fix. There is little medical consensus when it comes to LPR. There's a shitload of unknowns here.
LPR has had very little research, partially because it's not life threatening, so it's not a sexy thing to solve, despite it being relatively common (even Obama suffered/suffers from it).
If I just listened to doctors and ignored the internet, I would be harming myself on high dosage PPIs (Nexium/Prilosec) which have been shown in clinical studies to be no more effective than placebo for curing LPR, and which have been implicated in all kinds of short and long term complications when taken for more than 2 weeks.
I would be getting invasive tests like endoscopies with risks and little benefit, other than eliminating conditions which could be eliminated with other tests.
I would not be getting a useful but usually overlooked test (videostroboscopy).
I would not have Gaviscon Advance, a UK medication shown to have the best shot at reducing or curing LPR symptoms.
I might be considering surgeries with all kinds of complications and no reliable record in curing LPR.
So please spare me your "stop being a WebMD paranoid nutcase" or "stop being a hypochondriac".
What I have is real, and what I have is not easy to solve.
I am providing the updates out here so the members of this forum, as well as radio listeners, can understand what I'm going through, and the steps I'm taking to try to solve all of this.
I'm also discussing it out here so people can give reasonable suggestions, or provide information I might have missed. Some of this information has been helpful, and I thank those who are responding to this thread in a serious and non-judgmental fashion.
Do me a favor and don't write shit here just to piss me off or mock me for this. It's far more difficult and complex than you might think.
split this will be happy to know that I am getting an abdominal CT scan with contrast on Thursday.
I have to drink a 15 ounce bottle of barium on Wednesday night. Fun stuff.
Also have to drink about 8 ounces on Thursday morning.
The dumbass scheduler told me I would have to do a no-water fast, but it turns out that I can drink water (which I only found out because I called today to get more details about the test itself). In fact, showing up thirsty/dehydrated is actually a bad thing for this test.
Being able to drink water beforehand makes it way way easier.
Not thrilled about the radiation from the CT, but apparently it's unlikely to be of much long term danger, since it will only be the 2nd one I have in my life, plus CT radiation is more dangerous in females than males due to not having to be concerned about ovarian cancer.
Anyway, while this CT is unlikely to give answers for the LPR/anxiety, it will answer some other unrelated outside concerns, due to some abnormal blood test & ultrasound results last month.