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this is about as pathetic as it gets for my doyers
are we blaming magic johnson yet todge for his inability to tweet this could factor into our pitching
This isn’t just bad in a Dodgers context. This playoff performance will likely be recorded as the worst playoff performance in the history of baseball.Quote:
Originally Posted by lol wow
Lance Lynn lasted 2.2 innings and that was the longest any Dodger pitcher lasted in the series.
13 runs in 14 outs for the starters.
Mookie and Freddie and the rest of the offense. Where do you start? Awful.
This isn’t a story of first round bye or baseball variance or whatever crybaby casual observation you may hear. This was as bad as anyone has ever seen.
Andrew Fraudman is going to drop a half billion on a guy who can’t pitch. How does this inform your understanding of the Dodger problem?
I’m telling you this isn’t as fun as Dodger bashing used to be cause I think I’m not in the minority any more.
Obviously Mookie and Freddie not hitting was a killer.
Obviously the horrendous starting pitching by the Dodgers -- worse than everyone feared possible -- was a killer.
But there was more to this failure than just that.
The overreliance on analytics is a killer in the postseason. What would analytics have had to say about a guy who could barely walk being put in to pinch hit against Dennis Eckersley in a crucial 9th inning spot, in the '88 World Series?
Postseason managing is about riding momentum, going with the hot hand, avoiding the cold hand, and yanking the pitchers who clearly don't have it, before they can do too much damage.
Every year we keep seeing Roberts doing a masterful job managing the regular season, only to make dumb decisions (or have those decisions dictated to him by Friedman) in the postseason.
Among the fails this game:
- Not starting Ryan Pepiot instead of Lance Lynn. The young Pepiot was by no means a lock (look at how wild Bobby Miller was), but he was a much better choice than Lynn, who had become a fat HR machine this year. While Lynn started off okay in his Dodgers stint, he was terrible for the past month. It is not at all surprising that he allowed 4 home runs, as he allowed 44 in the regular season.
- Not pulling Lynn after the 2nd HR. It was clear that he was melting down. He had escaped some trouble in the 2nd, and those 2 HR in the 3rd were a clear sign. This wasn't like having faith in your ace. This was Lance fucking Lynn, and we've seen this tons of times before with him. Get him out. Indeed, those two subsequent HR were the difference.
- Pinch hitting with Austin Barnes. Why would you ever use Barnes as a PH, when he's the worst hitter on the team? Over 178 AB, he hit .180, had a .496 OPS, and just 2 HR. He's a rally killer, and that's exactly what he did.
The Dodgers weren't going to win this series scoring 2 runs per game, but they basically gave away this game, rather than putting up a real fight.
:fail2
Mookie Betts yucking it up with the opponent standing on second base when he’s down several runs.
Doing the stupid Freddie Freeman wave when you are down 6 runs.
Bryce Harper would never do that. He’s a Michael Jordan/Kobe type stone killer. There are no stone killers wearing Blue.
There is something wrong with the playoff culture. There is something wrong with the way the team PREPARES for the playoffs. They are never ready and motivated.
No one has ever figured out Kershaw’s playoff psychology or issues with preparation. Kershaw spoke about it prior to his outing. He “cared too much” in years prior, he said. He will care less now or some such nonsense.
THERE IS A COACHING ISSUE in the way the Dodgers prepare for the post season. The post season is not an extension of the regular season. It is different and unique.
Bob Geren, Mark Prior, Dave Roberts and the person most responsible Andrew Fraudman all need to be removed in a house cleaning.
“In Andrew Friedman we trust.” You gotta explain to me why.
Post season is pitching and Friedman failed. He usually fails with bullpen construction and deadline acquisition (he makes none). This year the bullpen was pretty good. He failed with starting pitching. The organizational approach to max effort pitching is pure fail.
I really don’t think Friedman cared this year. He was fixated on landing Ohtani for another regular season triumph.
Dave Roberts, Mookie and Kershaw are all going to the regular season hall of fame. They will. I don’t care.
BnP showing up to trot out the bye teams’ fail trope.
The kids on the O’s weren’t ready for the bright lights and demands of the playoffs. They will learn from this experience. Nice regular season. Thanks for playing.
Houston beat the Twins ✅
The Diamondbacks were better than the Dodgers and it wasn’t even close.
Better pitching. More focused approaches at the plate. The Dodgers were chasing outside the zone for some reason. They are usually very very disciplined. The back half of the lineup is just typical .200 trash.
Philly and Braves. Braves pitching becomes more of an issue post season and is getting exposed. Philly is no joke. Talk about variance? Philly is right back where they were last year. What variance?
Houston vs Philly in WS. Gosh that’s really random. Casuals are idiots
Look at sally and todge just talking ball
There’s a reason Texas is still alive. They have Bruce Botchy at the helm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
After the last 20 years, the Twins winning a series (and 3 total games in the postseason) is almost like winning it all. Beating Houston basically required winning Lopez's start (they did) and Gray's (they did not, Gray first inning meltdown) then stealing 1 of the other 3 (they did not). Ah well. Tough to beat that lineup when their most disappointing hitter all year (Abreu) all of a sudden looked like prime-Abreu.
Twins should be favorites in that shitty division again next year. But holy shit the hitters need a trip to one of those magic German blood cycling centers or something. The Buxton DH-only plan to keep him healthy resulted in.....85 games before same knee problems kicked in. His body is more glass than water at this point. Correa with a foot problem all year that he played through, but sucked. Lewis tossed his hat in the ring as a true star player...he has already torn his ACL twice and has had other random ailments.
Getting 150 games from all three of them 100% healthy and thats a lineup core that will contend with anyone. I highly doubt that will ever happen.
Imagine a World Series of Texas vs Arizona. Ratings blockbuster obv
No matter which way this shakes out, it's going to have fail ratings. Best case ratings scenario will be Houston vs Philly.
The Dodgers really are an absolute disgrace
LOL swept by Arizona diamondbacks? Not a competitive series, outclassed
I seriously hope they do not get Ohtani there is no organization that deserves him less
He should go to the Phillies
ok magic weighed in https://x.com/MagicJohnson/status/17...998278423?s=20
thats the kind of tough talk we needed after game 1 thank you earv
Braves center fielder Michael Harris has made some extremely clutch catches both times double plays
A tradition of mine is to tune in to LA AM570 after a Dodger playoff loss. It’s like a suicide hotline for hours.Quote:
Originally Posted by lol wow
Last night some engineer left the station in “game status” so anyone outside of LA couldn’t listen to the post game call in.
I feel unsatisfied
sports talk radio is so great im jealous you get petros i have the 8 sirius channels but its not petros in la
iHeartRadio on your phone son but connect to car radio so you get those kickers bumpin’Quote:
Originally Posted by lol wow
yea literally never doing that what kind of loser are you
you get petros when ur in la or you don't get him and he starts to fade out when you pass palm springs
Turn your location service on. You’re SoCal …. I’m the loser? When you go to the mailbox you see Philadelphia in your mind?Quote:
Originally Posted by lol wow
i am so ahwatukee foothills arizona brother ive listened to these people predict a 50 win season all year its been great
tempted to turn capital one rewards in for nlcs tickets but i dont want to jinx
dont wikipedia us i did not put all white tukee in there we have korean bbq and ramen shops
So I was thinking about how to fix the playoff system in a way which MLB would be able to tolerate. That is, as much as I'd like to go back to the format of 8 playoff teams, that's not going to happen, because MLB loves the revenue from wildcard-chasing teams which stay in it 'til near the end.
The objection recently isn't so much that the top teams are losing. It's that mediocre teams are beating them.
The 84-win Diamondbacks do not belong in the playoffs, nor did the 84-win Marlins.
The fix for this is to set a 90-win floor for a wildcard berth. So even if you finish as one of the top 3 non-first-place teams in your league, you still don't get into the playoffs unless you've won 90+.
That would have eliminated the Blue Jays, Diamondbacks, and Marlins this year. The rest would have made it, though Texas and Philly barely.
From that point, you allow up to 3 wildcards in each league (but again, only if they reach 90 wins).
If there are 3 wildcards, you play as we did this year, except it's a 1-2 format, where the lower seed starts at home, but finishes the final 2 on the road.
If there are 2 wildcards, they play each other, and the division winners get a bye.
If there is 1 wildcard, there is no first round, and everyone proceeds to the division series.
If there are no wildcards, the #1 seed proceeds directly to the LCS, and the other two division winners play each other in the LDS.
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In the division series, the #1 seed plays the team with the worst record, and the other two teams face each other. This is best of 7, not best of 5, in 2-3-2 format.
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The LCS and World Series stay the same as present.
This allows a number of teams still in a wildcard race, while eliminating the .500-ish teams from sneaking into the playoffs.
Comments?
They would never do fluctuating number of playoff teams. Competitive advantages and etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Being that the playoff field won't be getting cut anytime soon, as you mentioned, I have no real issue with the current setup. Baseball is inherently random....from The Ringer today:
You just have to be a better team in October than in April. There shouldn't be a win cutoff. Look at 1987, when it was still only 4 divisions, 4 playoff teams. AL West was basically all .500 teams. 10 games separated first and last place. Then the winner, 85-win Twins, beat 98-win Tigers and 95-win Cards to win the 'ship.Quote:
The MLB playoffs are inherently more random than those of other sports leagues, in both theory and practice. One study suggests that in the NBA, the best team advances in about 80 percent of playoff series; to achieve that same success rate would require a best-of-11 in the NFL, a best-of-51 in the NHL, and a best-of-75 in MLB. FiveThirtyEight calculated that more than half the time, MLB’s best team on paper doesn’t win the World Series, versus around a quarter of the time or less in other major American sports.
One twist I think would be interesting with the current setup is to make the wild-card series all go the full 3 games, with aggregate scoring.
Druff the Dodgers playoff woes will not be solved by changing the playoff structure.
Kershaw was still a decent pitcher in the regular season. He will go in the HOF and is one of the best pitchers of all time.
That being said, you were not going to win a short playoff series with him starting Game #1. He's had troubles in the post season over the course of his career and unfortunately he's not the same pitcher.
Throw him in the bullpen and bring him out for 1-3 innings at some point in the series.
That being said I think the Dodgers still bring him back if he wants to continue playing. He'll still have a winning record, but come playoff time he shouldn't be starting.
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Originally Posted by gut
If you could explain how the “best team” is determined in these studies I’d be grateful. TIA
If the best team is already determined why are there playoffs?
I just think MLB, which is already battling a lack of interest from younger people, will start to see rebellion against regular season interest, if this continues. People will stop following the regular season or wanting to attend games, if 12/30 make the playoffs anyway, and if it's essentially a crapshoot at that point.
Baseball's high variance is exactly the reason there should be fewer playoff teams than other sports. If we're going to have 12 playoff teams, it needs to be a real uphill battle for those that sneak in at the bottom.
I think in Korea, they start the better record team up 1-0 in games automatically. That's also a workable idea for the LDS, though some may hate it.
Give the fans of the top regular season teams something to get excited about, rather than just "oh good, we get a bye".
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
You put butts in seats during regular season when there is a pennant race. They more often than not lasted longer than a “3 game wild card”.
Being number 1 and gaining exclusive entry into the playoffs is not the game any longer. The regular season is simply a satellite into a tournament.
The tournament itself is a chess match. Whether you bring in Kimbrel in the 6th or 7th or a starter in the 5th. Whether you save Pepiot for game 4 and not go for broke in a must win (Dodgers). How you align your rotation against your opponents projected pitchers. These few examples I’ve offered demonstrate how the playoffs bears little correlation to how the grind of the regular season transpires.
The playoffs are fantastic in this way
If you want to play chess - play it during August. Maybe burning out your two most valuable players (or pitchers) to achieve 1st place was not chess.
Let’s talk about the variance introduced (and not accounted for by the gay statistician) when seasons are so long (every sport) that important players suffer season ending injuries.
Of course, this begets load management and my not watching a single game of regular season basketball
Chess players don’t play the full season. Maybe they dial up their end game approach.
When hockey starts load management and ball fondling at first base (not you Bryce Harper) I will be done with it too. I want missing teeth. Connor Bedard is too pretty. I want a disfiguring injury by Christmas.
There is a kid on my lawn. Gotta hop
How about the highest seeded team getting all the home games, except for the WS?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Not many better moments in sports than a Phillies home run at the bank in the post season
Electric crowd
Phillies vs Rangers World Series is going to be phenomenal, what are the series odds? Has to be as close to even as you can get
Over the years I suggested a possible solution for the Dodgers was to pursue Dombrowski. Dombrowski>FriedmanQuote:
Originally Posted by NickyPipes
Like Boston and now Philly if you give him a fat checkbook he’ll deliver a ring or two. Money alone doesn’t get it done as the Dodgers have learned
The beginning of this series began -170 over DiamondBacks. I couldn’t believe it. I have been using this series pricing in every chalky parlay for a week. I have so much random Phillies on the books and I’m not the least bit nervous.
Yes, Rangers would be more fun than flawed Astros but either way fun
San, your Phillies pulled me out of a 7 bet losing streak that started with that Hail Mary loss last week. Covered the -1.5 with ease.Quote:
Originally Posted by SanlmarOver the years I suggested a possible solution for the Dodgers was to pursue Dombrowski. Dombrowski>FriedmanQuote:
Originally Posted by NickyPipes
Like Boston and now Philly if you give him a fat checkbook he’ll deliver a ring or two. Money alone doesn’t get it done as the Dodgers have learned
The beginning of this series began -170 over DiamondBacks. I couldn’t believe it. I have been using this series pricing in every chalky parlay for a week. I have so much random Phillies on the books and I’m not the least bit nervous.
Yes, Rangers would be more fun than flawed Astros but either way fun
Look pal you ever heard of a Stu Feint "Lung Game"Quote:
Originally Posted by SanlmarOver the years I suggested a possible solution for the Dodgers was to pursue Dombrowski. Dombrowski>FriedmanQuote:
Originally Posted by NickyPipes
Like Boston and now Philly if you give him a fat checkbook he’ll deliver a ring or two. Money alone doesn’t get it done as the Dodgers have learned
The beginning of this series began -170 over DiamondBacks. I couldn’t believe it. I have been using this series pricing in every chalky parlay for a week. I have so much random Phillies on the books and I’m not the least bit nervous.
Yes, Rangers would be more fun than flawed Astros but either way fun
Well brother, Phillies Series Price -180 is my "Lung Game"
Bet my Left Lung Phillies series, have hammered every game as well, might lay off betting Phillies game in Arizona, haven't taken a look at the odds for those games yet.
Did not get the 170, got 180, soon after saw -190. Agree that I thought I got a great price but can't get the same deal Slick Sanlmar did sitting in that mansion in his Village by a Sea in New England.
LOL cheating Astros
Go into final 2 homes games with a 3-2 series lead, and blow it. Justice. Home teams were 0-7 in that series.
Now we will see if the Diamondbacks can win game 7. If they do, Kimbrel will be largely to blame. Phillies actually should have been 5-0 in the first 5 games (if there was such a thing), or at least 4-1 in reality. Now they're in a game 7.
rangers diamondbacks mlb has got to be sssssssssssssstoked for those ratings they have to get philly in
I just realized you meant to type Stu Feiner.Quote:
Originally Posted by NickyPipes
My very first PFA avatar was Stu Feiner photoshopped with Druff’s head in a Dodgers cap
Inspired by the late great lewfather who hazed the shit outta me when I started. I think he joined Hamas
This is how you watch a championship game: