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Who are these otherwise-logical right wingers that are now criticizing Israel/Jews? MTG? Tucker?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Most of the current batch of right wing antisemites were never logical to begin with. MAGA has always been very low IQ and reactionary, even if you are aligned on some points.
Fuentes has been going on and on about Netanyahu dragging us into war w Iran. His analysis of these issues is top notch as seen below. Recently he's been everywhere..
Imo Netanyahu's mad that Fuentes pointed out his plan.
https://x.com/ricwe123/status/1935372527674548578
I looked at some of the recent images fr Gaza, that's the most evil shit i've ever seen.
Unfuckingbelievable.,
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Originally Posted by Dan DruffIf you want to complain about US expenditures regarding Israel, I disagree, but at least I'm willing to listen and can understand your point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tellafriend
If this is going to be genocide nonsense, then it's simply repeating false Hamas propaganda and ignoring a lot of obvious counter-facts, and there's nothing I can do except wonder how we got here.
Two things can be true at once. One can acknowledge that Israel is just defending themselves, that it's Hamas and other enemies of Israel wanting to commit the genocide, and that most of the anti-Israel propaganda we've seen over the last two years has been false. At the same time, you can also argue that you believe the money/effort the US spends on Israel isn't worth the returns we are getting.
But I rarely see such nuanced opinions expressed. It's a lot of all-or-nothing bullshit, where any problem with US/Israel relations automatically turns into Israel being evil and being genocidal maniacs.
in re: the supposed genocide -- i really don't know. i doubt any/many of us do. we are constantly lied to by the media and our leaders, in all directions. given this, i do not have an informed opinion about what is/isn't happening there nor how it has reached this point. so, i just listen until i can make a more informed opinion, if ever.
my point above about our funding israel and their neighbors, more or less, goes for the rest of the industrialized world too, and especially Europe. i am glad for some level of funding going to help the truly poor countries better themselves - if and only if we can be confident that the money will be spent appropriately. otherwise, they too are out of luck.
regardless of what is actually happening in gaza/israel now, the jews are losing this battle in all ways save militarily. the world has changed too much in the last few decades. israel will suffer more from this moving forward than they realize.
I mean right wingers I know personally, even some on here.Quote:
Originally Posted by KalamWho are these otherwise-logical right wingers that are now criticizing Israel/Jews? MTG? Tucker?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Most of the current batch of right wing antisemites were never logical to begin with. MAGA has always been very low IQ and reactionary, even if you are aligned on some points.
The famous ones currently bashing Israel were always phony and/or terrible. Candace Owens is a good example.
You’re conflating neoconservatives with conservatives
I wonder what you picture when you use the term “right winger”.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Yarvin, Thiel and Vance are not neoconservatives
J D Vance once compared Benjamin Netanyahu’s Israel to that trigger-happy group around George W Bush who invaded Iraq, otherwise known as Maga’s chief nemeses: the neoconservatives.
Now Trump is drifting into military interventionism and Vance has gone dark.
Right wing really isn’t the term you’re searching for is it? The litmus test is usually G W Bush. Many of us “right wingers” detest him and see him as the ruination of America.
We prefer to be called libertarians when amongst friends.
It’s confusing, I know.
I will concede Vance is a phony when pressed but that is for the advanced class not you, Druff.
I have to be consistent for the sake of my own conscience
[QUOTE=Sanlmar;1166673]Among current politicians/elites do you think Thiel and Vance represent the libertarian right that you prefer to Neoconservatives or Trump's cult of personality?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Edit: I just saw your last post that Vance is phony too. So who represents your tent?
Please rephrase.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kalam
Thiel and Vance are the libertarian right. Trump has wandered off the reservation. His authoritarian behavior does follow the ideals of Thiel and Yarvin and sets an important direction going forward
I’m simply highlighting how useless Druff’s characterization of phony right wingers is. Druff doesn’t like to use the “N” word…. or admit to it.
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Originally Posted by Kalam
Rand Paul and Massie but I’m really a fatalist politically. Thiel is important and I pay close attention
EoT™
Since this is a foreign policy related thread, I'll focus on that. As far as I can tell Massie's position is more or less the US shouldn't get involved in any geopolitics in Asia, Europe or the ME; and everyone (including Russia, Iran and NK) should be free to fight it out without US getting involved.Quote:
Originally Posted by SanlmarQuote:
Originally Posted by Kalam
Rand Paul and Massie but I’m really a fatalist politically. Thiel is important and I pay close attention
EoT™
Do you think this is a correct representation and more or less aligns with your position regarding foreign policy?
We're in a hell of a predicament.
https://x.com/1stclassclips/status/1952840070886769074
guys take a hard look at some of the posts in this thread and ask yourself if the poster is more or less sociopathic than MTG herself
https://x.com/RepMTG/status/1959240450088280116
You can't argue against thisQuote:
Originally Posted by TellafriendQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
in re: the supposed genocide -- i really don't know. i doubt any/many of us do. we are constantly lied to by the media and our leaders, in all directions. given this, i do not have an informed opinion about what is/isn't happening there nor how it has reached this point. so, i just listen until i can make a more informed opinion, if ever.
my point above about our funding israel and their neighbors, more or less, goes for the rest of the industrialized world too, and especially Europe. i am glad for some level of funding going to help the truly poor countries better themselves - if and only if we can be confident that the money will be spent appropriately. otherwise, they too are out of luck.
regardless of what is actually happening in gaza/israel now, the jews are losing this battle in all ways save militarily. the world has changed too much in the last few decades. israel will suffer more from this moving forward than they realize.
The fact you couldn't pick she has a heart despite being a full blown retard is an L on you for never clocking her properlyQuote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
thanks for reminding me
To answer your question at least 60%
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Originally Posted by SanlmarQuote:
Originally Posted by Kalam
Rand Paul and Massie but I’m really a fatalist politically. Thiel is important and I pay close attention
EoT™
The only two who have any nuts and the intellect to back it up
It'll be interesting to see if Massie will be able to survive the massive negative pr blitz. I just noticed massie/massive one letter dif, anyhow.Quote:
Originally Posted by OK2ThisQuote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
The only two who have any nuts and the intellect to back it up
F Rand Paul.
What will happen to Massie next election?
A. In a population capable of independant thought Massie will win by an even larger margin than last election..
or
B. In a population of dumb cattle he will barely win or even lose.
I have no doubt which it will be.
Here's a bit of promising news.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNlk5IGylqM
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Originally Posted by Dan Druff
I wouldn’t hand wave Fuentes away .
If I was a Jew with kids Fuentes would worry me far more than the other right wingers who don’t love Jews just because of his audience. Disliking Jews is the default of all young people left or right atm and he’s their rock star. We will all be dead by the time the young people run shit, but they won’t.
I mean I think Candace is likely to get Gawker’d by the Macrons very shortly. She is lucky she is married to an extremely wealthy guy. They say a few hundred million. I am guessing his wealth is walled off from this shit because I think she is going to be in negative territory pretty quickly. She’s lost credibility with most as she sounds even more insane lately. Doing PR for Tate and Harvey Weinstein in the middle of all her other chaos is even weirder. So her seeing the Jews as evil is pretty irrelevant long term because i doubt she has much of a long term. The young people are done with her and no one older who is smart ever took her as a serious person anyway.
Tucker is just erratic at this point. And he’s old like us. I don’t know if he’s using drugs or something else is going on? Between demon attacks and then pretending Fuentes knew his father was a CIA asset before he did, when that fact has always been kind of known is really weird behavior. I don’t get what he’s thinking?
But Tucker is likable in his weird way so he will always be somewhat relevant with us older set, but he’s aging out of relevance and he isn’t as extreme as the others. Plus he’s always been kind of thought of as a dumb trust fund kid, so his weirdness is less damaging given he was never viewed as smart
I mean Candace, Elon, Netanyahu, and Tucker have all felt the need to go at Fuentes personally in the last month. That is 100% who Netanyahu is referring to. They know he’s a problem.
I agree with very little he says but find his circus entertaining in that he’s the playing with house money young kid against the established players. He’s the perfect spawn of the Chan and troll world that the young right embrace, and now he’s even added left kids despite being pretty openly racist in the eugenics sort of way. They hate Israel so much many are giving him a pass to a degree.
And the average middle age and older person who isn’t into politics doesn’t really know Tucker and Candace as anything other than the bow tie guy and the black chick who got rich off of old white people by saying mean shit about blacks.
We have to seek them out to hear them. The average person doesn’t seek that shit out.
But Fuentes is crossing over into that TikTok space where the average retarded kid encounters him who isn’t into politics. That kid who doesn’t seek him out.
I think he might be the biggest of all these influencer types even with him being deplatformed all over. Like Charlie Kirk seems like their weird uncle now to most of that group. Even the gay kid shit doesn’t seem to land because they loved Milo even though he was a fag.
A lot of the anti-Israel sentiment is predictable and they couldn’t have done much about it.
What they have mismanaged is the politicians they have sway over. That has been more damaging I think with the average person than anything else, especially on the right. Like you can’t run as America First and then have multiple elected officials state on the record that their primary goal when elected is to be Israel’s best friend before they even mention their constituents or America. Like you absolutely want that if you’re Israel, but you don’t want them to say it out loud ffs. That’s an unforced error.
I’d like to say it will get better but I don’t see it in the short term. The Jews could use some old fashioned Muslim terrorism right now. But if it happened, I’m pretty sure half the people and most of the kids would assume it was the Jews who did it. That’s the problem with free speech in today’s world and give everyone a voice and nobody is an expert in anything. It can blow up in your face pretty quickly.