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The real crime here is if the Shaun Deeb appearance on Tuchman's show causes even one person to subscribe to CrushLivePoker.
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Originally Posted by IAmProfessionalTalk
Hey!! Hope that means that you don't want people to get good info on how to beat NL cash games..
I'm pretty sure there are cheaper resources to learn how to bet-fold every street.Quote:
Originally Posted by BartHansonHey!! Hope that means that you don't want people to get good info on how to beat NL cash games..Quote:
Originally Posted by IAmProfessionalTalk
How much are you down gambling lifetime?
Those who can't, write. And in the poker world, those who can't win at the tables...sell podcasts.Quote:
Originally Posted by IAmProfessionalTalkI'm pretty sure there are cheaper resources to learn how to bet-fold every street.Quote:
Originally Posted by BartHanson
How much are you down gambling lifetime?
Thats interesting. I did a challenge at the end of last year that post here: http://www.crushlivepoker.com/forums...day-9-30-15/p1Quote:
Originally Posted by snake_in_the_assThose who can't, write. And in the poker world, those who can't win at the tables...sell podcasts.Quote:
Originally Posted by IAmProfessionalTalk
Those results are fairly consistent with my performance over the last 6-8 years at the Commerce $5-10. Although I maybe have only put in 1000 hours each year.
You guys aren't being very nice to that Hanson kid.
I wouldn't expect anything less, Druff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
So you won't admit that you're a huge lifetime loser at gambling.
Will you also deny that you hustle your students to stake you?
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Originally Posted by IAmProfessionalTalk
No. I am a large lifetime winner in gambling as I have filed as a professional for the last 10 years. But based upon the sample I linked to here, the fact that CLP has consistently been growing over the last 3 years, and my game is well respected among the regulars in the $5-10 player pool its obvious you can make the assumption that I have lost in gambling in my lifetime.
I assume that you are trolling here, so will stop interacting.
Cheers! Bart
Did you confess many times on your various podcasts that you've struggled your entire adult life with compulsions to gamble in the pit, especially when drunk?Quote:
Originally Posted by BartHansonQuote:
Originally Posted by IAmProfessionalTalk
No. I am a large lifetime winner in gambling as I have filed as a professional for the last 10 years. But based upon the sample I linked to here, the fact that CLP has consistently been growing over the last 3 years, and my game is well respected among the regulars in the $5-10 player pool its obvious you can make the assumption that I have lost in gambling in my lifetime.
I assume that you are trolling here, so will stop interacting.
Cheers! Bart
Do you consider 9-5 JoB an acceptable paytable if 9-6 JoB isn't available? (Not that you have any edge either way.)
Do you make five figure sports bets based on hunches with no regard whatsoever for the market?
Do you gamble black to purple on poor blackjack games and too lazy/dumb to even count a simple hi-lo?
Do you lack even the most basic conception of math and games such that you cannot beat a casino invite tournament vs other degenerate losers such as yourself and instead come begging for handouts on an alleged pedophile's forum?
If you answer no to any of these questions, then you are fucking liar and even bigger piece of shit than I previously thought.
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Originally Posted by IAmProfessionalTalkDid you confess many times on your various podcasts that you've struggled your entire adult life with compulsions to gamble in the pit, especially when drunk?Quote:
Originally Posted by BartHanson
Do you consider 9-5 JoB an acceptable paytable if 9-6 JoB isn't available? (Not that you have any edge either way.)
Do you make five figure sports bets based on hunches with no regard whatsoever for the market?
Do you gamble black to purple on poor blackjack games and too lazy/dumb to even count a simple hi-lo?
Do you lack even the most basic conception of math and games such that you cannot beat a casino invite tournament vs other degenerate losers such as yourself and instead come begging for handouts on an alleged pedophile's forum?
If you answer no to any of these questions, then you are fucking liar and even bigger piece of shit than I previously thought.
:popcorn
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Originally Posted by IAmProfessionalTalkDid you confess many times on your various podcasts that you've struggled your entire adult life with compulsions to gamble in the pit, especially when drunk?Quote:
Originally Posted by BartHanson
Do you consider 9-5 JoB an acceptable paytable if 9-6 JoB isn't available? (Not that you have any edge either way.)
Do you make five figure sports bets based on hunches with no regard whatsoever for the market?
Do you gamble black to purple on poor blackjack games and too lazy/dumb to even count a simple hi-lo?
Do you lack even the most basic conception of math and games such that you cannot beat a casino invite tournament vs other degenerate losers such as yourself and instead come begging for handouts on an alleged pedophile's forum?
If you answer no to any of these questions, then you are fucking liar and even bigger piece of shit than I previously thought.
I don't remember saying that but I guess its possible. Compulsions are one thing acting on them is another. And anyways if you are playing the best blackjack rules with perfect basic strategy surely one can see that the comps given almost make up for the $$ lost. If you pump $1million through blackjack, (maybe 20-25 hours at $500 a hand) at a -.35% disadvantage you are losing approximately $3500 on average. I dont know for sure but I have certainly received at least $2000 a year in free play when I give this kind of action over the summer. That doesnt include the yearly 7 star trip, free Folio's my host gives me, hotel rooms etc. So if you want to chalk up the -$1000 for that year in overall EV to being a "bad" gambler, when I am playing the game for recreation, than you got me there.
My pit gambling has almost exclusively been Caesar's 6 deck black jack with their best rules which WOD places at -.35% and 9/6 JOB. The only time I have played 9/5 JOB is when it makes sense to hit daily TR bonuses as Caesars changed the VP points per $$ rules a few years ago. At 9/6 you get 1 point per $25 bet, at 9/5 its 1 per $10. In talking with some advantage players they said the small + $$ EV in the 9/6 game (as you have to gamble 2.5x more) is made up by the increased free play offers of playing 9/5. Obviously this is only done when just playing to hit these bonuses, which I believe this year may be 5000 in 24 hours gets you an extra 10,000 points. I usually just play the VP to keep better track of the points in keeping 7 star. 7 Star by the way is a pretty big advantage at the WSOP as you get to cut the lists in cash games and I often play the $75-$150 Omaha 8 game.
I rarely ever sports bet. In fact my biggest sports bet was probably a $7000 bet I made on the USA a few years vs Ghana that won. Granted I probably should have gotten a dime more for that but again, the bet was for recreation not for profit. Over the course of two years I did some sport betting with Limon and beat him up pretty bad, although I will not claim that there was any skill involved.
As far as the forum and pedophile thing, I have no idea what you are referring to. I think I posted the rules to a promotion Caesars was hosting looking for the optimal way to approach a blackjack, roulette and baccarat tournament.
I spoke about how Caesars royally fucked me in an invite tournament in my podcast but that was just very poor customer service by them. I will not be giving them a dime of pit action in the future unless I am clearing free play offers. If Druff wants me to talk about what happened with that on the air its an amusing story and speaks to the incompetence of Caesars.
And BTW what does any of this have to do with poker and the quality of material put out on CrushLivePoker?
http://cdn.someecards.com/someecards...2fe5de8f67.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by IAmProfessionalTalk
Is Wizards of Odds a pedophile site? Cause thats where I posted this: http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambl.../2/#post479797
#CrushLivePokerQuote:
Originally Posted by BartHanson
Bart would be interested to hear the results of that contest. On air preferably. Keep putting haters in their place and don't judge PFA community solely on these fools.
Fuck Bart Hanson. The guy has said many times on his podcasts that he goes on tilt when drunk and loses in the pit. And now he can't remember it?Quote:
Originally Posted by IamGreek
What does losing in pit games have to do with poker ability or being shady?
A lot of pros wouldn't even own up to this because they don't have to tell the world about their vices yet for those who do all the sudden they are considered shady characters or bad at poker aka not the game they blew money in?
I just don't get all the hate in this thread when the Shaun Deeb outing scammers podcast was one available for free on twitch and can be downloaded for free over on CLP.
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Who's Privateworld?
What are you talking about?Quote:
Originally Posted by FPS_Russia
I'd assumed everyone's reading the 4 thread on Eli, Deeb etc. Privateworld and Glantz are going at it sort of, that's all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffWhat are you talking about?Quote:
Originally Posted by FPS_Russia
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You know what's odd? Druff's reaction every time I bring up Privateworld.
It seems he doesn't like the this whole "Who's Privateworld" discussion. Hmmm interesting.
Bart:
I don't understand all of the hate being thrown at you here. Whether or not you have a pit gambling problem, that doesn't affect whether or not people should take your advice regarding poker play. Those are two totally different things.
I am confused about one thing, though.
You are claiming to have earned Seven Stars via blackjack play (or at least partially having done so), and thus are claiming that your expected losses are small compared to Seven Stars benefits.
I have to disagree with this. You get rated VERY POORLY at pit games, and it's very hard to accumulate many tier credits by playing in the pits. Even worse, because you don't accumulate enough tier credits in a day, you also lose out on the all-important bonus tier credits (5000 bonus per 2500 base tiers earned).
I have to imagine that one would have staggering expected losses if they played enough blackjack to earn Seven Stars.
Simply put, if you don't earn Seven Stars via 99%+ video poker, it's not really worth it.
Todd,Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
This isn't really the point of this thread..but we can certainly discuss them. I would love to come on and tell you what happened with the promotion and how Caesars treated me like dirt.
But if you play 9/6 JOB at 99.54 with getting 1 tier credit per $25 played are you saying that you will lose less per point than playing at say -.35% at usually full blackjack tables? To get 5000 pts at 9/6 you would need to pump through $125k for an expected loss of about $620. If you play blackjack at 80 hands and hour at $500 a hand you are losing at about a $140 an hour clip. Do you know what the points are as they equate to average blackjack bet size per hour?
Again I don't gamble for profit at BJ or VP its mostly to wind down, for recreation and to get some comps. I don't buy expensive clothes, don't have a $20k watch, or have strip club and sports gambling leaks, and I own my car. Whats the big deal if it cost me $1000 to get 5k points rather than $620 if I get enjoyment out of it? With less variance I might add as most of the return in JOB is the Royal.
I'm pretty sure these guys are just hardcore trolls. I may have once said coming off of some ridiculous $10k tournament bad beat in Omaha 8 that I "felt like getting drunk and playing blackjack"..not sure how that has spiraled into this now, or how it effects my poker play or CLP.
Exactly. He can quote the theoretical house edge all he wants but the actual win/loss is not going to be anywhere near that number. Especially when you got some idiot pitboss not rating you properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Hardcore troll has a question: What happened between you and Limon? Did you take all the advice he told you and repackage it to sell to your subscribers?Quote:
Originally Posted by BartHanson
In my understanding, the status level that you receive from Ceasars has nothing to do with free play cash offers that you get or your Hosts discretion with regards to comps.Quote:
Originally Posted by snake_in_the_assExactly. He can quote the theoretical house edge all he wants but the actual win/loss is not going to be anywhere near that number. Especially when you got some idiot pitboss not rating you properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
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Originally Posted by snake_in_the_assHardcore troll has a question: What happened between you and Limon? Did you take all the advice he told you and repackage it to sell to your subscribers?Quote:
Originally Posted by BartHanson
Definitely not as my training deals with the technical aspects of live, cash game, NL Holdem.
I'd love to share with you all on Todd's show the incompetency of my host, Ceasars, and the way they have treated what they preceive be to be a "high roller customer". I am also open to discussing slightly negative ev comp play.
Bart
Bart,Quote:
Originally Posted by BartHansonTodd,Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
This isn't really the point of this thread..but we can certainly discuss them. I would love to come on and tell you what happened with the promotion and how Caesars treated me like dirt.
But if you play 9/6 JOB at 99.54 with getting 1 tier credit per $25 played are you saying that you will lose less per point than playing at say -.35% at usually full blackjack tables? To get 5000 pts at 9/6 you would need to pump through $125k for an expected loss of about $620. If you play blackjack at 80 hands and hour at $500 a hand you are losing at about a $140 an hour clip. Do you know what the points are as they equate to average blackjack bet size per hour?
Again I don't gamble for profit at BJ or VP its mostly to wind down, for recreation and to get some comps. I don't buy expensive clothes, don't have a $20k watch, or have strip club and sports gambling leaks, and I own my car. Whats the big deal if it cost me $1000 to get 5k points rather than $620 if I get enjoyment out of it? With less variance I might add as most of the return in JOB is the Royal.
I'm pretty sure these guys are just hardcore trolls. I may have once said coming off of some ridiculous $10k tournament bad beat in Omaha 8 that I "felt like getting drunk and playing blackjack"..not sure how that has spiraled into this now, or how it effects my poker play or CLP.
Todd didn't directly answer your Total Rewards tier credit question, so I will: In general, you get reward credits (and tier credits) equal to about 2-3% of your expected loss playing table games. So in your example, a $140 expected loss you mentioned gets you about 400 reward credits and 400 tier credits. To reach the 5,000 tier credit threshold to get the 10K bonus, your theoretical loss would have to be around $2,000 for the gaming day.
Now, you can play blackjack at a full table, with the dealer hand shuffling, which decreases hands per hour and expected loss per hour. But then again, to play the best rules at a CET property on the Strip, you'd have to play in the high limit rooms, and those tables may not be full. You can also act like a casual gambler who doesn't know basic strategy, and the supervisor might rate you as a casual player. You can play the side bets such as Lucky Ladies once in a while and call attention to it, and you'll get rated better.
However, in my experience (as a Seven Stars member), if you're going to play table games at CET properties to relax and earn tier credits, play Spanish 21 (house edge: -0.37). You get rated by the supervisor right away as a mega-fish because you're hitting 13's against dealer's 5's and 6's all day long and hitting hard 17 against an Ace. You can use a very basic count and bring the house edge to basically 0% and get away with it. It's a slower game because everyone plays Match the Dealer, and the game is most likely hand shuffled.
And the best reason, Mr. Hanson? Beautiful Asian women gamblers seem to gravitate toward Spanish 21 (YMMV).
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And Todd Witteles would never, ever play $25:1 tier credit video poker.
Is it ethical for a broke loser to panhandle for staking deals from people he is being paid to coach, however unqualified he may be?
Why does Live At The Bike hate you?
How come your growing successful business can no longer afford advertising on an alleged pedophile's weekly podcast whose entire audience is poker players?
There is plenty of 99.5+% VP at Caesars for $10/pt, Bart Hanson. Amazing that a savvy comp expert such as Bart Hanson doesn't know this.Quote:
Originally Posted by BartHanson
Even more amazing that you claim to prefer BJ for tier credits yet have no clue what the earn rate is. trollololol For the record, genius, table games give about 1.5 TCs per base $ bet per hour, or roughly 1/4 of the points earned per dollar risked on your blackjack addiction vs good machines with similar edge. You'd only need to play 6.5 hours per day of $500 blackjack to get the 10K bonus points. It's a heckuva deal! Imagine all the tight black t-shirts you could buy with those losses, Bart Hanson!
Maybe I should start a business coaching 3rd grade math to failed media whore poker props.
So you define 2% as most of the return? You'd be better off playing 9-6 and tipping the slot attendant 50% of royals than the retard 9-5 that you like to play. Your innumeracy and lack of basic gambling knowledge is truly stunning, Bart Hanson.Quote:
Originally Posted by BartHanson
Yet those skills aren't necessary in poker, right Bart Hanson? You may have your mental and character deficiencies but everyone knows you're a huge winning poker player. Let's go ahead and ignore the fact that you've played a full tournament schedule every year for the last decade yet lack even a single six-figure score. Let's ignore that you aren't seen playing, let alone winning, in the high stakes LA games where it's even possible to make a decent living. Let's ignore that you had to be a casino employee and take every media gig you could hustle to actually pay your bills.
So your winnings came mostly from untracked Euro sites?
Why all the hate for Bart? Given all the scumbags and cheaters in poker he seems an odd choice of target. :wtf
Apparently Professional Talk has a fucking ass chaffing regarding Bart Hanson for what reason I think we would all like to know because it seems odd just taking pot shots at a guy whos reasonably successful. Is it out of jealousy perhaps??? Wouldn't be the first time trolls have gone after somebody who they were jealous of (not saying PT is jealous just offering a possibility). The whole dropping money in the pits is a bullshit cheapshot because everybody knows Ivey does it and Ivey is still considered one of the top poker pros in the world and likely will be for a long time. (and was smart enough to find an edge to fuck the cheating casinos and now they don't wanna pay up,... they will eventually I'm guessing though at least Borgata in the States that is). All Ivey has to prove was they knew what he was doing and allowed it knowingly hoping he'd drop the money back to them and when he didn't only then did they get pissed off and cry they'd been raped..Quote:
Originally Posted by ShawnFanningsLimpDick
Ivey is a master AP who exploited the image of a degenerate.
Bart is a degenerate who markets himself as an AP to sell snake oil.
Let's just make up random unsubstantiated bullshit to slander people, that sounds fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by IAmProfessionalTalk
God you are one sad individual.
Bart Hanson has already substantiated all of the facts I stated about him in the thread. On which points do you need clarification, Andrew Welch, business partner of Bart Hanson?Quote:
Originally Posted by khalwatLet's just make up random unsubstantiated bullshit to slander people, that sounds fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by IAmProfessionalTalk
God you are one sad individual.
(Seriously though, how hard do you get while Bart is rimming your wife?)
A few comments here:
- It is not allowed to post pictures of family members (or live-in girlfriends) of users here. Please do not do that.
- I am moving this Bart Hanson / IAmProfessionalTalk argument to its own thread
- I don't understand this whole fight in the first place. Even the accusations being leveled at Bart don't seem very serious, so what's the big deal?
IAmProfessionalTalk, you're a very good poster everywhere else here, but I don't understand you in this thread. The other users here seem similarly perplexed.
As a subscriber to crush live poker I can tell you it is a very informative site, idk why this guy is always trashing Bart.
Another example of your dismissive attitude toward the forum community?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
I guess I tuned out Hanson on the radio. I only recognize the name cause Drexel has some fun with it. I missed everything but what I saw here.
That said.
From post one it was obvious IAPT was operating several levels beyond what the rest of us experience gambling. Not just the dollar amounts but the seriousness with which he approaches how he makes his living.
As a professional, IAPT clearly finds Hanson's work inferior and wanting. That's one thing. I imagine what has him truly offended and on the march is that Hanson apparantly sells coaching and otherwise purports to be an expert and markets himself as such.
It's a professional beef. He's calling him out.
That you, Druff, have never engaged IAPT in any way has not gone unnoticed by me.
I am starting to sound like Marty, but you really do come across to me as dismissive of your forum members. This is best evidenced when you pick up a call on the radio show.
Maybe you view this whole forum thing as a pain in the ass or exhausting and it leaks through. Honestly, I can't blame you. But I think I do detect it.
Most of these guys have pretty interesting stories and deserve more interest. I remember a moment during the radio show when Drexel & yourself were having a subtle battle about the direction of the conversation. You had some agenda item and Drexel was kinda insistent on spending some time on air with Traderusky. Trader is obviously another interesting guy - and thank god Drexel won out.
I digress. If your attitude toward the forum was healthier I think you would consider IAPT's beef more seriously.
You and Drexel are god on the radio. I ain't trolling you. Just sparring with what I see here.
Nothing but respect for Bart and all the work he's put into his game and CLP.
Don't see any valid points made by OP.
Heard great things about CLP, pretty sure the adversaries in this thread are certifiable idiots