Mount Everest turning into a 29,000 foot trash dump

https://twitter.com/EverestToday/sta...80927050240000


This is at the final base camp near the summit. It's located at 26,000 feet, which is 3,000 feet below the 29k foot summit.


Four years ago, there was another, somewhat related controversy involving Everest climbing. This one involved heavy congestion, where there was a Disneyland-like line to get to the summit:

https://cdn.outsideonline.com/wp-con...le&quality=100



Much of this is being blamed on Nepal, which has been so greedy to get those sweet adventure tourist $ that they are overcrowding the mountain, and not caring much about the environment.

Mount Everest is located along the border of Nepal and Tibet. There are routes from both countries, but the much more popular (and easier) route is on the Nepal side.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

https://twitter.com/EverestToday/sta...80927050240000


This is at the final base camp near the summit. It's located at 26,000 feet, which is 3,000 feet below the 29k foot summit.


Four years ago, there was another, somewhat related controversy involving Everest climbing. This one involved heavy congestion, where there was a Disneyland-like line to get to the summit:

https://cdn.outsideonline.com/wp-con...le&quality=100



Much of this is being blamed on Nepal, which has been so greedy to get those sweet adventure tourist $ that they are overcrowding the mountain, and not caring much about the environment.

Mount Everest is located along the border of Nepal and Tibet. There are routes from both countries, but the much more popular (and easier) route is on the Nepal side.

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Way too much access is permitted, and the heavy volume makes things inordinately more dangerous. Bad weather rolls in when there's a logjam and people are fucked.

The overall caliber of climber is much lower as well, with Everest obviously being desirable as the world's high point attracting lots of people with money to burn that lack experience and create more clutter due to having the means to hire more people drag more shit up there.

Guide companies are happy to take huge sums and get you to sign a boatload of waivers.

It's also *relatively* accessible compared to other Himalayan peaks. I did the trek to base camp in 2012, a hell of a journey by itself but easier to get to via airplane and more manicured than all of the rest I have done.

nice to know that even at 26k feet, it still looks like downtown Portland.

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Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

https://twitter.com/EverestToday/sta...80927050240000


This is at the final base camp near the summit. It's located at 26,000 feet, which is 3,000 feet below the 29k foot summit.


Four years ago, there was another, somewhat related controversy involving Everest climbing. This one involved heavy congestion, where there was a Disneyland-like line to get to the summit:

https://cdn.outsideonline.com/wp-con...le&quality=100



Much of this is being blamed on Nepal, which has been so greedy to get those sweet adventure tourist $ that they are overcrowding the mountain, and not caring much about the environment.

Mount Everest is located along the border of Nepal and Tibet. There are routes from both countries, but the much more popular (and easier) route is on the Nepal side.

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Way too much access is permitted, and the heavy volume makes things inordinately more dangerous. Bad weather rolls in when there's a logjam and people are fucked.

The overall caliber of climber is much lower as well, with Everest obviously being desirable as the world's high point attracting lots of people with money to burn that lack experience and create more clutter due to having the means to hire more people drag more shit up there.

Guide companies are happy to take huge sums and get you to sign a boatload of waivers.

It's also *relatively* accessible compared to other Himalayan peaks. I did the trek to base camp in 2012, a hell of a journey by itself but easier to get to via airplane and more manicured than all of the rest I have done.

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https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/...ke.theobserver

Mothers 'are to blame for macho mountaineers'
Jason Burke
Sun 9 Apr 2000 19.09 BST

For years it has been the greatest question in the world of human endeavour: why does anyone want to risk death, injury and disaster climbing Mount Everest?

Now it has been solved. The glib answer given by early pioneer George Mallory - 'because it's there' - can be dismissed as disingenuous if not downright deceptive.

A recently published study by two behavioural psychologists says 'pathologically narcissistic, competitive and regressive dynamics' lead men to climb mountains.

The study, by American and New Zealand-based psychologists, uses 'psychodynamic and structuralist theory' to analyse the climbing disaster on Everest in May 1996 in which five people died. But allegations that mountain men are 'overdependent on external admiration ... intensely envious, exploitative in relations with others' possibly due to 'inadequate mothering' has stung élite mountaineers.

Alan Hinkes, who has scaled 11 of the world's highest peaks, was indignant at the idea that he had developed 'an unhealthy structure of self representing a failure in the emancipation from the self-object'. Hinkes, a Yorkshireman, said he climbed for fun.

'You are out exercising in the middle of fantastic scenery with some good mates. It is a very simple pleasure... that's all,' he said.

The report - Deliverance, Denial and the Death Zone - is based on testimony by survivors of the so-called 'Great Storm' on Everest four years ago and draws particularly on Jon Krakauer's best-selling book Into Thin Air.

It examines the psychology of the guides leading the ill-fated climbs, as well as the motivations of clients paying up to $65,000 each for a chance to conquer the mountain.

'A lot of these people were basically buying attention, prestige and self-esteem. They did not have the background of established mountaineers,' said Professor Michael Elmes, of Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Massachusetts, a co-author of the report.

Elmes said such people need 'extreme sports'. 'There are reasons why these pursuits are popular among adolescents. They can be a compensation for all kinds of inadequacies.'

Some climbers agree. A Himalayan veteran said that months spent sharing 'smelly tents in horrible cold with foul food and even fouler partners' had disillusioned him.'High-altitude mountaineers - myself included - must be among the most dysfunctional, anti-social, self-obsessed people around,' he said.

But Hinkes, who leaves Britain tomorrow for India to climb Kanchenjunga - the world's third highest mountain - said: 'Maybe mountaineers should... do a study of narcissism, competition and the desire for fame among academics.'


Mountain climbing marketing faggot with mommy issues - It all makes sense now

Environmental regulations are or have been in place but the Nepalese are an inherently greedy people. Climbing lobbyists successfully “influence” government officials in introducing loophole legislation.

A questionable judiciary ties up cases for those prosecuted and those who can afford the process

The Nepalese people enjoy democracy but tend to distrust those they elect, at their own peril.

Can that pic be real or is it some AI sarcastic exaggeration.

Idk I'm highly suspicious of that pic, that looks insane. It seems some of that ice would chunk off and take a few people with it.
What are the odds of that many people showing up to climb and all of them capable of summiting?

I had a client that heli-skied in the Himalayas.

You can imagine the amount of money pumped into the area supporting high-end infrastructure for very wealthy tourists.

if sonatine was a clothing brand hed be called the boredth face BAZINGGGGGGGGGGGGG

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Can that pic be real or is it some AI sarcastic exaggeration.

Idk I'm highly suspicious of that pic, that looks insane. It seems some of that ice would chunk off and take a few people with it.
What are the odds of that many people showing up to climb and all of them capable of summiting?

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Of course it is fake.

The perspective/size of the climbers at the top is the same as at the bottom.

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Can that pic be real or is it some AI sarcastic exaggeration.

Idk I'm highly suspicious of that pic, that looks insane. It seems some of that ice would chunk off and take a few people with it.
What are the odds of that many people showing up to climb and all of them capable of summiting?

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It's real; taken by the guy who climbed all 14 8000m peaks in record time.

This happens on the weekends on Mount Hood in Oregon as well; the final push is narrow and gets crowded with people both going up and down.

Mondays are the best after the crowds clear out but we'll trod boottracks remain.

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Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe

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Originally Posted by Entropy

Can that pic be real or is it some AI sarcastic exaggeration.

Idk I'm highly suspicious of that pic, that looks insane. It seems some of that ice would chunk off and take a few people with it.
What are the odds of that many people showing up to climb and all of them capable of summiting?

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It's real; taken by the guy who climbed all 14 8000m peaks in record time.

This happens on the weekends on Mount Hood in Oregon as well; the final push is narrow and gets crowded with people both going up and down.

Mondays are the best after the crowds clear out but we'll trod boottracks remain.

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You are right.

In this photo made on May 22, 2019, a long queue of mountain climbers line a path on Mount Everest. About half a dozen climbers died on Everest last week most while descending from the congested summit during only a few windows of good weather each May. (Nirmal Purja/@Nimsdai Project Possible via AP) (KY3)
Published: May. 28, 2019 at 3:16 PM EDT

That "big line" pic made the rounds in 2019, appeared on mainstream news, and was widely discussed on the internet for a few days.

In general, there is a constant problem in the third world where money grabbing takes priority over everything else, including safety and environmental preservation.

Not the same scale at all, but in 1989 I was in Cairo at age 17, and visited the pyramids. This was in August and it was over 100 outside. Our "guide" did not bother to give a warning about what the pyramids were like inside, but instead simply just said he wasn't going in because he had "seen it before".

Well, that wasn't why he stayed out.

It was like an oven in there, but that wasn't the worst part. People were crammed in those tiny corridors like you've never seen. Narrow, full of people, and the ceilings were like 4-5 feet high in many places. Once you were in, you were "stuck", as it all moved single file, and you had to wait until you got around to where you could pop back out.

When I got out, it actually felt cool and refreshing in the 100+ degree air.

All it would have taken was one person panicking and starting a trampling, and tons of people would have died in there.

This was when I learned my lesson about always assessing any situation in the third world before trusting it will be okay.

Of course, Everest is a different story. You either climb it, or you don't.

todge dying in the pyramids like a dog trapped in a car and then being mummified is how this should all end