I meant to check this out a few days ago, as I knew 2outer was a dupe, but I just remembered this morning to do it.
Turns out it's jsearles.
I thought the idea of an elongated forum stake was to update the thread?
LOL @ "Investors". You know how stupid that sounds? Just call it BAPs
OP, you started with $5,000 of other people's money. You want this thread to go away, simply state where you are at today.
Best I can see is you were up $3 a few weeks ago. UPDATE, and not some weekend sickness.
4 Bet seems to be correct. You are evasive.
I'm someone who has invested money into this, and I haven't found Jasep to be 'evasive' toward me. None of my issues throughout this process have had anything to do with not trusting Jasep or fearing that this BAP is not on the up-and-up. As I've told him privately, my issues, if any, have been due to "letting things slip" from a bookkeeping / responsibility / making-sure-you-are-on-top-of-your-shit standpoint. (alarm clocks, illnesses, schedules, what-have-you). As long as things are transparent TO INVESTORS, then really what's the problem? I'm sure if I feel like I'm being scammed, stolen from, lied to, etc., with no acceptable resolution from him, I (along with the other dozen-or-so people with money invested in this) will be among the first to come here and call him out on it.
Last night, after a winning session at Mohegan Sun, Jasep said something that makes a lot of sense. This is a direct quote: "I'm at a spot where now more than ever it's really important that I perform well in Projekt:Sep, because the end result is going to be what I am judged on.... I'm just going to focus on crushing games -- left and right. I'll let my play and my actions speak for themsel[ves], and after that, if anybody has a problem with me, then that's your problem to deal with."
Let's give Jasep a chance to do the right thing and see how he does as Projekt:Sep progresses....
Actually he has updated us at his site vegaspokerradio.com. Also, we have his number and 3 other ways of contacting him at any time if we choose to. He is being very honest and things are taking place behind the scenes and at his website. He doesn't owe anyone here anything except the people who invested and they are very well informed. He has a right not to answer any of you who have not made any investment…
I understand everyone's arguments and at one point felt like I could be in trouble. After speaking to Jasep and going over my two issues I feel confident I'm not being cheated or scammed. He has assured me that he is not taking any of the top, and honestly I believe him. I even said it would be okay if he wanted to buy lunch / gas / drinks etc. He made it a point that he was not and again I believe him; I may be a push over for doing so, but whatever. If any of his investors had an issue, they were given the choice to walk away a few days ago with the money they put in plus a 6ish% return. 4Bet is a poor man’s cashcabbie
Sep is shutting up shop. Projekt, website all done with due to threats made against him. See VPR thread
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People who still believe in Lord Jasep being legit fall into the same category as Paterno defenders, Lance Armstrong apologists etc.
Investing money into a live stake for a guy you've never met:
Wow one of you really is a fucking scum bag. Druff... You need to delete this thread.
I go visit vpr to see whats going on. I see this video link with his blog or whatever. #13. I skip a few minutes and go to a random spot in the middle. He is talking about how is daughter is a few feet away from him #1. Then he goes into feeling ill #2. Then he goes into how it is bad not having health insurance #3. Who goes to the doctor for colds anyway? It is just nonsense sympathy ploys. I mean, is that really what people are going there for ? I have had health insurance for as long as I remember and have never went to the doctor for a cold type illness. I sure wouldn't use lack of insurance as an excuse for a cold affecting me.
Who is the scumbag ? Why do you believe he was threatened.
Since the link to forums is off the frontpage, I'll post his message.
"I will coordinate 2 friends to accompany me". Who does he expect to believe this shit ?***VERY IMPORTANT***
At 12:48 I received a very serious, very scary threat.. The threat contained information about my family, my girlfriend and the car I drove yesterday that is not in my name. The threat also claimed to have knowledge of where I park my car and there was a direct expression of violence. A family member received the same threat about a minute apart. We have both been in contact with the police and I have showed this to one of my investors who I trust the most with personal info and have known the longest. I am pulling the plug on all of this bullshit and taking the advice of my family and those close to me in real life.
No poker forum is worth any of this.
Every investor has $51.75 per share coming to them, over the next couple days I will coordinate 2 friends to accompany me to cash in my chips and to get all money in the bank and then online. I will then send out all shares accordingly. Everyone will receive all of their money within 7 days from today. Once every investor has received their refund I am going to step down from this website as well and close up shop. Maybe I am overreacting, and it is most likely some lunatic with a warped sense of humor, but my family/girlfriend who have been following this story are now genuinely scared and feel like I need to act on it.
*BOOM*
*SNAP*
YO SEPTIC TANK COLLAPSED.
Don't think any of us have a problem, I just wish my financial planner worked as hard as azzclown and Cokehead have to protect my $ 100 investment.
Ok w/ this thread wrapping up what I learned was we have someone w/less credibility than azzclown.
Cokehead said "many" investors pm'd him to keep going, (right, to ask LAME questions like "Gee, sep isn't even your last name")
There "were" (thanks for ending it dickhead) only 17,
I'm sure it was none of the people below,
Hockey, Belly (only cuz I think he would go to jassep directly) , Drexel (just a guess, but would bet money), pikachar, steve-o (just a guess), sandwich, tony, me, handicap, hott shott, off the top.
So there are 7 left that I haven't seen comment here, or our private thread. (they probably have, azzclown ruined this thread dispelling w/his gambling wisdom)
Is Jasep a scammer?
No.
Is he a shady hustler who bends the rules to make shit happen?
Yes.
Does he have like 7 or 8 agendas at once?
You betcha.
Did he start posting on DonkDown as part of a well defined plan to siphon people to his own project, ultimately for monetary gain?
I think so.
Is that "wrong"?
Nope, just shady.
Did China and Drexel part ways with VPR because they dont want to be associated with someone who is almost guaranteed to fuck up and go to jail when one of his schemes falls short and someone else ends up paying for it?
Yeah, I think so.
Are a lot of otherwise intelligent people defending Jasep in this thread because they simply hate the people holding up cold hard facts about his integrity?
Signs point to yes.
Scammers dont usually start out saying "I wanna scam". Some do, and occasionally do so with such bravado and charisma that the community embraces them for it. Most however are just shady fuckups who are "trying to make a dollar out of 15 cent" then fuck it all up and end up owing the wrong people 15 cents.
The turning point for me in this thread was, without question, the iPad story.
Telling someone "its in the mail" instead of "I extended some credit to a sponsor and they fucked me, I need you to be patient because Im a dude with a family to feed and paying you $420 because someone made bad faith commitments to me is a real serious blow to my situation" is a red flag that cant be ignored. The difference between those two answers is night and day in terms of personal integrity.
Anal's good work in this thread 100% validates my original impression of Jasep; hes a fundamentally nice guy who is probably suffering from a deficit of risk aversion. Some people get rich off that. Every great fortune has a crime behind it. But to pull that off you either need Lex Luther caliber cunning or absolutely terrific luck, and so far I see indication of neither in Jasep.
And its going to cost him eventually, much much more than what is happening in this thread.
Subtract drugs, murder, and rape from the prison system and you are left with hundreds of thousands of Jaseps, acting hard and wringing their hands and plotting their next big hustle, toxic with fury over the injustice that put them behind bars, tying a big pink ribbon with their childrens name on it around their gratuitous larcenies, past present and future.
I have absolutely no ill will towards Jasep, but I will say to anyone listening, including him, that his judgement is nightmarishly bad, and hes coming off like a half way crook who is too lazy to do it right and too greedy to not do it.
Whether or not his cash BAP pays off for the investors, (btw how country fucking stupid do you have to be to invest in stud swings, seriously), I dont think things are going to turn out well for Jasep as long as he continues to try to take care of business through these "projects". The portrait being painted here is someone with a distinctly adolescent mind set getting in way over his head in an effort to avoid needing an alarm clock. That's not a good look, and its already becoming a lonely one.
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