Based on this thread, micon looks absolutely terrible.
Maybe what concerns me the most is the totally corrupt seals with clubs site where collusion
is for sure going on in cash games all the time yet micon keeps pimping the site to get his weekly slots money.
He was so anti-UB but turns a blind eye to seals with clubs and their scandalous site.
Micon is definitely an idiot. Even if youre banner was up at the fail site, who would see it?
I am not saying I did not get value for my money, I am saying that the way you handled everything was insulting. If you don't realize it then I don't know what to tell you...
I do a live show as well, I understand the grip and rip, but lets be honest here. This is what you said:
"Cute little Site"
"Whats that kids name? Johnny Sack or something"
It was intentionally mean spirited. I never heard you call seals a fail site even though it fails on just about every level possible. I don't really care much about what you normally charge, we made a deal... a deal for a one month sponsorship. over 30 days after I paid my banner went up and commercial was played only after users called you out on it.
Bumping the thread is the only value I got out of the deal and I am not even complaining about paying you but I mean... Gwaipo had a podcast, did she pay to bump a thread? doubt it... Scott Fischman pay to plug his tournament?
I am willing to admit that I have promoted here more than others, and I am willing to chalk my money up to that, but don't act like your doing me some huge service or cutting me some awesome deal, you never took my money or my site seriously, and it showed.
it isnt like I showed up here as a spammer....
Micon is on his last leg.
jasep, you really should tell everyone about how the negotiations with micon went for sponsorship
the guy really has lost his grip on reality
I decided to finally check out Seals.
I went on and it said something like "25 players on 2 tables right now", which doesn't add up right if you think about it, but I didn't really put much thought into it and created an account.
There were indeed 25 players -- SITTING IN THE LOBBY!!
Of those 25, there was the tail end of one heads-up match going, and one guy sitting by himself. The other 22 players were all idling in the lobby.
Within 5 minutes, the HU game broke, the guy sitting by himself left, and the site had this number of active players:
No chance that place ever has any kind of traffic.
Jasep, did Micon really call your site a fail site while you had an advertising contract with him?
In what context did he call it that?
Lately Micon has been bragging about how anti UB he is and for the longest time he has been one of the first guys to crack down on them. I seem to remember after the UB scandal he wanted to offer rakeback deals for them but at the end chose not to. This was only after you really pushed him him to take them down. It seemed that he really wanted to keep them up.
Is my memory correct on this?
Since we are discussing it and since willie made a thread at DD pointing to this thread I will go ahead and air a few more issues I have...
I hired 4 Dragons after meeting him on Donk Down and checking out his website, he built FilthyLimper.com , and deserves full credit for anyone who likes the look, logo or any other design aspect. I do most of the updates these days but he is still a key part of the organization.
I paid him to build the site and I liked him so much that I kept him on in an admin capacity and he gets a monthly wage for this service (I do tend to slow pay him but that is more me forgetting or travelling or being lazy about loading paypal or whatever)
Contrary to popular belief he does not own a portion of the website but I would gladly gift some to him if he wanted it.
Since Micon learned of his involvement with FilthyLimper he has actively tried to poach him and get him working on DD 2.0 or whatever other fail project he is working on next. I have always encouraged 4Dragons to take the jobs and the money even if it meant that it would take time away from working on my stuff. The guy deserves 10 times more than I can afford to pay him and I would like to see him get some more money somewhere.
Micon also began tweeting at KevMath relentlessly after Kevmath came on as a team member of mine, but that doesn't really bother me much as everyone tweets at Kevmath
The big advantage I have over Micon is my willingness to pay people who add things to my product (lol at Brandons 5 years for 50 dollars wage) I recognize that this is my business to build and while my budget is not huge I will never expect free work from people simply because I think they will do it for me. It is embarrassing what he asks people to do for nothing
Micons relentless shilling for seals with clubs is laughable, I took a sponsorship from them after I was approached by the owner, I no longer want my name on the site as I have seen first hand how exploitable it is. I am certain he may be a partner in the site at this point and there should be (and will be) a separate thread made about this site and how unsafe and irresponsible it is.
FAILCON is a fucking joke.
btw watch out for him or you'll get a knifing.
I can't believe Micon called you guys a failsite while you were paying him advertising dollars. The kid is very clearly on very serious life tilt right now. I didn't hear him say any of this because I don't listen to poker radio shows anymore as I generally find poker uninteresting. But when I am in the mood to listen to a poker show, I find Filthy Limper to be much more entertaining/enjoyable than the new DonkDown show or the 2+2 podcast. I hope you paid with paypal or a credit card as I would be charging it back like a boss.
Overall filthy limper is pretty good radio. Its insulting to see micon call them a spinoff site. Never considered them to really be relate dto donkdown. Odd that micon compares them to jewdonks websites.
Couple of things though.
1. Your achive links for radio are wrong. Link to episode 15 with micon on website is WRONG episode (the onlky way I could find it was going to blogtalk radio).
2. Navigating website to find old episodes seems needlessly complicated amd is further complicated by point 1.
3. You still have link to sealwithclubs on front page.
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