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    Zero point zero chance Micon gets regulated anytime soon. At least in the sites current iteration. The no dox requirement alone would sink him. Micon either just saying that to look good or he has no idea about licensing requirements(0probably both). If Micon was serious he would need to make fundamental changes to the site which he has said he wont and plans to run as before.

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    Im think the only individuals who would touch any project with Micon are the type of individuals who would:




    take advantage of his lack of knowledge, setting up a future potential to roll him


    take a majority ownership of the project, keeping him very hands off with everything not pertaining to promotion


    a complete moron with dollar signs in his eyes

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    Quote Originally Posted by BetCheckBet View Post
    Zero point zero chance Micon gets regulated anytime soon. At least in the sites current iteration. The no dox requirement alone would sink him. Micon either just saying that to look good or he has no idea about licensing requirements(0probably both). If Micon was serious he would need to make fundamental changes to the site which he has said he wont and plans to run as before.

    Ok then he traded in the worst place to operate (Nevada) for the arguably the second worst place to operate.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by cmoney View Post
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    Zero point zero chance Micon gets regulated anytime soon. At least in the sites current iteration. The no dox requirement alone would sink him. Micon either just saying that to look good or he has no idea about licensing requirements(0probably both). If Micon was serious he would need to make fundamental changes to the site which he has said he wont and plans to run as before.

    Ok then he traded in the worst place to operate (Nevada) for the arguably the second worst place to operate.
    No regulation board is going to allow seals to be certified with how they run. I expected Micon to revamp tos with introduction of 2.0 software. Certification boards are very strict on how you go about screening for such things as minors. Anonymous accounts could never get approved.

    Micon may change his policies in future but that the fact he hasn't nor plans to tells me he is nowhere near ready for application

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    Quote Originally Posted by BetCheckBet View Post
    Zero point zero chance Micon gets regulated anytime soon. At least in the sites current iteration. The no dox requirement alone would sink him. Micon either just saying that to look good or he has no idea about licensing requirements(0probably both). If Micon was serious he would need to make fundamental changes to the site which he has said he wont and plans to run as before.
    So he is going to run an unlicensed site from foreign soil? Isn't that reckless beyond belief? Why wouldn't antigua authorities be able to bust him and or shut him down ? I mean, couldn't antiguan authorities shut him down and player balances be in extreme peril?

    Isn't he putting himself in the same type of position that got him in trouble in the first place?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BetCheckBet View Post
    Zero point zero chance Micon gets regulated anytime soon. At least in the sites current iteration. The no dox requirement alone would sink him. Micon either just saying that to look good or he has no idea about licensing requirements(0probably both). If Micon was serious he would need to make fundamental changes to the site which he has said he wont and plans to run as before.

    Running a licensed site from Antigua would also cost him hundreds of thousands of dollars no? To just pay the lincensing fees. He claime all you need is an email address to play, he will never get licensed based on that alone.

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    This is where people like me who have dual citizenship step in and help a brother out.... I won't, but this is usually when it happens.
    We pray for understanding as we all occasionally request back door action by accident, when we tried to call an electrician. It happens, it simply happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of the Fraud View Post

    Or one day she might be proud that daddy stood up to a big brother state and its bullshit laws.

    That's obv fairytale stuff that won't happen.

    But your country and its laws truly are a fucking joke.

    Land of the Free my hairy British arse.

    Quote Originally Posted by JimAfternoon View Post
    Is it possible that they weren't really serious about charging him with anything?

    Perhaps these agents were sent at the request of the legal NV sites, who were just looking to take out the competition.

    This might explain why they didn't prepare adequately for the possibility of him fleeing the US so quickly.

    Quote Originally Posted by 4Dragons View Post

    Nobody said anything about civil disobedience or me going along with what Micon was doing. I fall into the category of being able to have put up a bitcoin poker site, but the risk was just insane... in this police state. That is controlled by politicians that only care about themselves. That protect the people that feed them graft and jail or shoot everyone else.

    You see the comment has nothing to do with poker or bitcoin or Micon. It's the statement that somehow law and regulation = opportunity. That's fucked up and seriously backwards. Dare I say.. un-American.

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    In a time where thousands of poker players had their funds stolen and jobs taken...there was 1 brave soul who provided a platform to for this absence. No USD were transferd and poker isnt a crime. Its a sad state when the majority of poker players still won't contact their own state reps to get the casinos on board to get their piece...but will speak venom at a true trailblazer
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    Quote Originally Posted by BetCheckBet View Post
    So he is going to run an unlicensed site from foreign soil? Isn't that reckless beyond belief?
    It is...but considering the pickle he is in (never having a job, no desire to get a job, and after this detainment, will probably never get a job), I really don't think he has many other options at this point.

    Build SwC 2.0, hope it does well, and maybe the tech gets bought out by some other bigger gaming org (once BTC becomes a little more mainstream, which is another gamble entirely) where he can cut ties and live a nice life.

    This is so much easier for him if he doesn't have a kid. Lesson to us all who want to run it up huge: don't have kids.

     
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    Noteworthy that Betcoin (another no dox bitcoin poker site) is in the .ag domain. Though doesn't have any *hay u guyz! look at me!* characters such at Micon involved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimAfternoon View Post
    Is it possible that they weren't really serious about charging him with anything?

    Perhaps these agents were sent at the request of the legal NV sites, who were just looking to take out the competition.

    This might explain why they didn't prepare adequately for the possibility of him fleeing the US so quickly.
    Yep, it could of been an "unofficial raid". These types of raids are quite popular, especially in northern cities like in Boston, when it comes to poker home games.

    The cops bust in, claiming to have a warrant, and take all of the chips, cards, tables, TVs, money etc. The people in the room: players, dealers, runners....usually have no idea of what their rights are (the cops prey on this), never even asking for a warrant or realizing that they don't have to let cops into the home without one or consent.

    They'll handcuff/interrogate people, and then just let em go with no charges (while the cops who took part of the raid get a sweet new poker table).

    Also, since there is no actual arrest, it doesn't get logged into the news cycle (where the police don't have to deal with the ACLU and the police state questions - in Southern states, they don't give a fuck about gambling and often brag about sending swat teams into games with grandmothers and shit).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shizzmoney View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by JimAfternoon View Post
    Is it possible that they weren't really serious about charging him with anything?

    Perhaps these agents were sent at the request of the legal NV sites, who were just looking to take out the competition.

    This might explain why they didn't prepare adequately for the possibility of him fleeing the US so quickly.
    Yep, it could of been an "unofficial raid". These types of raids are quite popular, especially in northern cities like in Boston, when it comes to poker home games.

    The cops bust in, claiming to have a warrant, and take all of the chips, cards, tables, TVs, money etc. The people in the room: players, dealers, runners....usually have no idea of what their rights are (the cops prey on this), never even asking for a warrant or realizing that they don't have to let cops into the home without one or consent.

    They'll handcuff/interrogate people, and then just let em go with no charges (while the cops who took part of the raid get a sweet new poker table).

    Also, since there is no actual arrest, it doesn't get logged into the news cycle (where the police don't have to deal with the ACLU and the police state questions - in Southern states, they don't give a fuck about gambling and often brag about sending swat teams into games with grandmothers and shit).
    You must have missed the part of the story where Micon said they gave him a copy of the warrant, but he didn't understand what any of it meant......
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    Quote Originally Posted by cmoney View Post
    There are a number of reasons to question viability of a new site and how stable it will be. However, I think questioning Micon's integrity as it pertains to keeping coins safe is unfair. I think he would do everything in his power to make sure players funds are safe. The question becomes is his new team as competent as his last team to make this happen.
    No one who has met Micon would question his integrity (ok almost no one).

    The X factor here is the 'new people' hes bringing aboard. We saw this pattern repeat itself on the old silk road sites; one day, bitcoins vanish, and some dude the site operators trusted is no longer responding to emails/phone calls.

    With Micon shopping for an entirely new team to replace Seals, I think one would have to make quite a leap of faith to deposit btc on a site that:

    1) has totally unknown elements hired under duress responsible for the money
    2) absolutely 100% has not had the time or money to hire 3rd party penetration testers, much less code auditers
    3) there is no indication they have any perimeter defense solutions (IDP/IDS) in place to mitigate emerging threats.

    Between the site getting hacked by Russians and one of Micon's new superteam enabling Godmode by sniffing network traffic, tailing logs, or snooping processes.... I consider any deposits to that site to be critically endangered pending a responsible disclosure from the chairman detailing what progress has been made on all those fronts.

     
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    What danger would micon's passport be in, I wonder? If charges get filed, they for sure could stop him from ever renewing it again, but would they possibly even try to revoke it if they felt he was blatantly thumbing his nose at them?

    On the other side of it, how easy is it to get your green card equivalent/working papers/whatnot in Antigua? They run an open door policy there?

    Also, are warrants public info? Can we look that shit up somewhere, or maybe foia the docs if we have to? Just curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmoney View Post
    The only reason for him to be there, is if he is going to get a license. If not, then there is no point in being there, and in fact, it would probably be almost as bad of spot as Nevada to run the business from. Much like Nevada, I doubt Antigua gaming division (or the companies that actually pay the licensing fee) are going to happy with an unlicensed poker site being run by an American within its borders.

    If he launches this new site from Antigua without a license, he could be setting himself up for another raid.

    This whole thing makes no sense as I dont see how he gets a license before launch. Even if he has the money to do so, I imagine there is some process and it takes time to get approved.

    I hoping he isnt so naive to think that Antigua is some gambling utopia where he can do whatever he wants. He NEEDS a license or will get fucked just like he did in Nevada.
    I agree with this. This is clear thinking.

    I read the claim in PokerNews that Micon is pursuing licensing.

    BtW, could the nitwit reporter have failed on a grander scale? SWC gets busted in Nevada for licensing & announces he is getting licensing in Antigua and this subject does not get examined by the interviewer? The idiot reporter is obv so jacked to be in the presence of Micon and so titillated by the excitement that he just nests the claim in a sentence.

    I only grab PokerNews at Foxwoods poker room entrance so I can place it on the filthy fart soaked seats before I park my ass for a session.

    Regardless, that one tidbit got me wondering - how did he rally investors within hours? Did he have a go-bag ready for such contingencies? Doubt it. Micon lives in a perpetual state of reality distortion.

    So where did the money come from on such short notice? I think we have established by virtue of all evidence that Micon lacks that kind of cash. Long term renter, etc etc. So who the fuck would care to invest mid 6 figures in a micro poker site on a moments notice? How would this even hit their radar so quickly?

    Answer: a successful liquid poker player!! Who might that be?

    How am I doing here?

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    You people have to realize that Micon is talking about launching immediately. You don't just run to the closest corner shop and pick up a license. No way is he intending on getting one. Just saying he is to please the masses and make them feel secure. It's a scam
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    Quote Originally Posted by JUSTIFIEDhomicide View Post
    You people have to realize that Micon is talking about launching immediately. You don't just run to the closest corner shop and pick up a license. No way is he intending on getting one. Just saying he is to please the masses and make them feel secure. It's a scam
    What about the Antiguan authorities shutting him down, deporting him, for running an unlicensed poker site? Is that a possibility?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pooh View Post
    "I was not formally charged with any crime," Micon went on to explain. "The agents served me a warrant from the Nevada Gambling Commission, but I am not a lawyer and I don't understand a lot of what's in it."








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