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    Quote Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker View Post
    Sorry for your bust Druff from the Main but from reading tweets you got royally coolered and were card dead alot.
    Yeah tough break Druff, but at least on the whole you can look at the entire WSOP and be one of the...5% maybe of people who walked away with an overall profit at the end of all the tourneys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PokerPrince2 View Post
    Chip leader plays my normal 33 and 55 dollar tournaments at the local casino. Mark Kroon. He has increased his chipstack to over 700k, i am getting text updates as I have a piece of him!

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    Lock Pros crushing it in the WSOP Main Event:

    Bryan Pellegrino (PrimordialAA) 752k
    Annette Obrestad 564k
    Melanie Weisner 536k
    Michael Mizrachi 379.5k

    Also alive:

    Matt Stout 140.5k
    Felipe Ramos 115k

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by PokerPrince2 View Post
    Chip leader plays my normal 33 and 55 dollar tournaments at the local casino. Mark Kroon. He has increased his chipstack to over 700k, i am getting text updates as I have a piece of him!


    Have played at many tables/tourneys with this guy at his bar back in the day. Very talkative, likable, affable person. Hope he does well..

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    Don't forget that Mark Kroon was a UB pro from the beginning until the end.

    I will concede that he was always a nice guy when I interacted with him in person. Speaking of almost-cashes in big events, I had a brutal one the one time I played the Aruba UB event. I had A4 on a Q44 flop. A 74-year-old man flatted me with K4 from the SB, we got it in, and he hit the K on the turn to bust me. This was very close to the money. Anyway, when it happened, Kroon came over to me, told me he legitimately felt bad for me, and said that he thought I had played great during the tournament. I thought it was very nice, since I barely knew him, and he wasn't even at my table. (He had been watching from the rail.)

    I did lose some respect for him when he stayed on after the scandal hit. He was part of that original crop of UB pros -- guys with not-so-great lifetime tournament stats, who got in good with the right people and held a sweet position on the 3rd largest poker site. Remember Shawn Rice, mentioned on the UB tapes, who called Russ and allegedly said he wanted to keep his job despite the scandal? I have to imagine Kroon was in kind of the same spot. There's no way he was completely ignorant to everything going on there.

    At the same time, people like Rice and Kroon weren't heavily promoting UB, nor were they big name pros that would attract people to the site. They were just... there. But they still should have left. I know it's hard to turn down free money when it's tough to make a living in the high-variance world of poker, but still...

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    And yeah, I noticed that the Lock Pros are doing well this year. Kinda sickening.

    Annette has a really arrogant look to her now that she has dropped the weight.

    I love how she completely ignores the Lock issues people bring up to her. Even The Grinder gave it some lame lip service. She wouldn't even do that much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadyJ View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Here is my report on Day 2 of the Main:

    http://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sho...l=1#post176950
    I just lost my write up but it was basically about how you played that aa hand so badly with the 4 flush, and your thinking about hands is prehistoric. If you're interested I'll do a big writeup on the hand and how you fail to use your image to capitalize.
    I would be interested in the writeup (post it in the World Series forum if you can), but I am especially curious of what you think my "image" is.

    Are you referring to the Day 1 image I had of someone who could be easily run off hands, because I was folding so much? I did capitalize on that, which is why that French guy shot off 27k (a lot at the time) with middle pair.

    If you are referring to an image of a tight nit, you are incorrect because that's not usually the image people have of me at the table. While I am not seen as a young, aggressive internet guy, I am also not seen as a super-tight, nitty older guy either. I am seen somewhat in the middle. This varies from day to day based upon the cards I'm dealt and the makeup of the table, but I think you are guessing my image incorrectly.

    I am also interested to hear about how I played that AA hand "so badly", when I believe I charged the guy the maximum (without committing myself in case he had flopped it) for chasing the flush, and then folding when he got there. I am not being sarcastic here, and would like to see your take on it. I do not regret that hand at all, and would be shocked if the guy didn't really have the flush there given the way everything went down.

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    You are totally right on that regard. Just basing my observation on personal interaction.

    His personal friendship with Phil Helmuth (Player's Bar original) definitely dragged him into the UB sponsorship.






    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Don't forget that Mark Kroon was a UB pro from the beginning until the end.

    I will concede that he was always a nice guy when I interacted with him in person. Speaking of almost-cashes in big events, I had a brutal one the one time I played the Aruba UB event. I had A4 on a Q44 flop. A 74-year-old man flatted me with K4 from the SB, we got it in, and he hit the K on the turn to bust me. This was very close to the money. Anyway, when it happened, Kroon came over to me, told me he legitimately felt bad for me, and said that he thought I had played great during the tournament. I thought it was very nice, since I barely knew him, and he wasn't even at my table. (He had been watching from the rail.)

    I did lose some respect for him when he stayed on after the scandal hit. He was part of that original crop of UB pros -- guys with not-so-great lifetime tournament stats, who got in good with the right people and held a sweet position on the 3rd largest poker site. Remember Shawn Rice, mentioned on the UB tapes, who called Russ and allegedly said he wanted to keep his job despite the scandal? I have to imagine Kroon was in kind of the same spot. There's no way he was completely ignorant to everything going on there.

    At the same time, people like Rice and Kroon weren't heavily promoting UB, nor were they big name pros that would attract people to the site. They were just... there. But they still should have left. I know it's hard to turn down free money when it's tough to make a living in the high-variance world of poker, but still...

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    BTW, Shady J, before you do your write-up, I don't know how many WSOP events you have played, and I'm not saying that to be condescending or anything.

    I am saying it because they play differently than other live tournaments, and especially different from online tournaments.

    One thing that's very tough to do at the WSOP is run people off hands. Not only do people "have it" a good percentage of the time, but they are very stubborn about folding, and hate thinking they are being bluffed off. Sure, occasionally you will get a shocking fold from a good hand (where they show you or tell you), but for the most part, if you are trying to use a tight/solid image to make moves when you have crap, for the most part it will backfire. I say this because I watch it happen time and time again, and am left scratching my head how people blow off chips with no hand/no draw, thinking they will push someone else off a real hand. I saw an otherwise solid player today do just that -- blow off a 70k stack with ace-high no draw, simply because he thought a bet on the turn was full of shit. He was wrong, and that was that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ShadyJ View Post

    I just lost my write up but it was basically about how you played that aa hand so badly with the 4 flush, and your thinking about hands is prehistoric. If you're interested I'll do a big writeup on the hand and how you fail to use your image to capitalize.
    I would be interested in the writeup (post it in the World Series forum if you can), but I am especially curious of what you think my "image" is.

    Are you referring to the Day 1 image I had of someone who could be easily run off hands, because I was folding so much? I did capitalize on that, which is why that French guy shot off 27k (a lot at the time) with middle pair.

    If you are referring to an image of a tight nit, you are incorrect because that's not usually the image people have of me at the table. While I am not seen as a young, aggressive internet guy, I am also not seen as a super-tight, nitty older guy either. I am seen somewhat in the middle. This varies from day to day based upon the cards I'm dealt and the makeup of the table, but I think you are guessing my image incorrectly.

    I am also interested to hear about how I played that AA hand "so badly", when I believe I charged the guy the maximum (without committing myself in case he had flopped it) for chasing the flush, and then folding when he got there. I am not being sarcastic here, and would like to see your take on it. I do not regret that hand at all, and would be shocked if the guy didn't really have the flush there given the way everything went down.
    Isnt this the world series thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadyJ View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post

    I would be interested in the writeup (post it in the World Series forum if you can), but I am especially curious of what you think my "image" is.

    Are you referring to the Day 1 image I had of someone who could be easily run off hands, because I was folding so much? I did capitalize on that, which is why that French guy shot off 27k (a lot at the time) with middle pair.

    If you are referring to an image of a tight nit, you are incorrect because that's not usually the image people have of me at the table. While I am not seen as a young, aggressive internet guy, I am also not seen as a super-tight, nitty older guy either. I am seen somewhat in the middle. This varies from day to day based upon the cards I'm dealt and the makeup of the table, but I think you are guessing my image incorrectly.

    I am also interested to hear about how I played that AA hand "so badly", when I believe I charged the guy the maximum (without committing myself in case he had flopped it) for chasing the flush, and then folding when he got there. I am not being sarcastic here, and would like to see your take on it. I do not regret that hand at all, and would be shocked if the guy didn't really have the flush there given the way everything went down.
    Isnt this the world series thread?
    There is a World Series forum where I have a thread for the Main Event, but people are posting a lot in this thread, too.

    BTW Shady J just PM'd me and apparently he misunderstood me on radio discussing the AA 4-spade hand from Day 1, so disregard all of that discussion. He thought I checked the turn, which I agree would have been terrible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ShadyJ View Post

    Isnt this the world series thread?
    There is a World Series forum where I have a thread for the Main Event, but people are posting a lot in this thread, too.

    BTW Shady J just PM'd me and apparently he misunderstood me on radio discussing the AA 4-spade hand from Day 1, so disregard all of that discussion. He thought I checked the turn, which I agree would have been terrible.
    Yes my bad. Next time I criticize someone I'll know the facts first.....hopefully

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    Matt Marafioti is still in too

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    In one of the biggest hands of the tournament so far, we saw Luke Schwartz take a monster beat for a pot that would've made him the chip leader. The aftermath of the hand earned Schwartz a one round penalty.

    Josh Pollock opened from middle position. Action folded around to Schwartz, who reraised in the small blind . Action folded back to Pollock and he put in a fourth bet which was 37,000 more. Schwartz then put in a fifth bet for 60,000 more and action was back to Pollock. He went deep into the tank for almost 2 minutes before finally announcing that he was all in for a total of 349,000 more. Schwartz snap called.

    Schwartz: A A
    Pollock: K K

    It was a classic cooler situation and since he was on the favorable end, Schwartz pulled out $200 from his pocket and laid it in the dealer's tray. "This is for you," he said.

    "I can't accept this right now," the dealer said.

    Perhaps Schwartz was hoping for some good fortune so he would be able to fade a king with his tip to the dealer. Unfortunately for him the flop came down 2 K 10 . Schwartz stood up from the table and let out a huge, exasperated sigh. He began pacing around the tan section of the Amazon room, knocking over chairs, kicking tables and even tearing down a curtain in his path.

    The board completed with a 5 and a Q and Schwartz came back to the table just to make sure he hadn't hit the ace.

    "Wow," he said. "What a f***ing joke."

    After the hand and the chips were cut out, a floor moved over to Schwartz's table and issued him a one round penalty for his behavior after the hand.

    The huge pot set Pollock up to 835,000 in chips while Schwartz was knocked down to under 400,000.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickastley View Post
    In one of the biggest hands of the tournament so far, we saw Luke Schwartz take a monster beat for a pot that would've made him the chip leader. The aftermath of the hand earned Schwartz a one round penalty.

    Josh Pollock opened from middle position. Action folded around to Schwartz, who reraised in the small blind . Action folded back to Pollock and he put in a fourth bet which was 37,000 more. Schwartz then put in a fifth bet for 60,000 more and action was back to Pollock. He went deep into the tank for almost 2 minutes before finally announcing that he was all in for a total of 349,000 more. Schwartz snap called.

    Schwartz: A A
    Pollock: K K

    It was a classic cooler situation and since he was on the favorable end, Schwartz pulled out $200 from his pocket and laid it in the dealer's tray. "This is for you," he said.

    "I can't accept this right now," the dealer said.

    Perhaps Schwartz was hoping for some good fortune so he would be able to fade a king with his tip to the dealer. Unfortunately for him the flop came down 2 K 10 . Schwartz stood up from the table and let out a huge, exasperated sigh. He began pacing around the tan section of the Amazon room, knocking over chairs, kicking tables and even tearing down a curtain in his path.

    The board completed with a 5 and a Q and Schwartz came back to the table just to make sure he hadn't hit the ace.

    "Wow," he said. "What a f***ing joke."

    After the hand and the chips were cut out, a floor moved over to Schwartz's table and issued him a one round penalty for his behavior after the hand.

    The huge pot set Pollock up to 835,000 in chips while Schwartz was knocked down to under 400,000.
    looks a little familiar



    dudes crazy

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    Mark Newhouse is one of the chipleaders at the dinner break.


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    props for the Phil Lesh and Friends shirt

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRK Star View Post
    Mark Newhouse is one of the chipleaders at the dinner break.


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    props for the Phil Lesh and Friends shirt
    Yeah, he's on my Facebook and showed a picture of his stack, showing like 1.2-1.3 million at dinner break.

    Hope he does well, he's actually a very nice guy. I just hope some of his scumbag/degen Commerce friends don't squeeze all the money out of him again.

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    Brett Richey also one of the chip leaders, which likely means anyone following MeeCoin on Twitter will have to witness a spectacular amount of tweets where he slobbers all over Brett's knob.

     
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