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Originally Posted by RealTalk
Ban for spam
where's the porn at on this map?
Dear Mr Todd "Dan Druff" Witteles,
Can you please remove and desist any previous, current and future menitons of twoplustwo on this site. If this persists we will be taking legal action.
Sincerely,
If you read the comments section you'll see the absurdity in the whole thing. Mason tries to explain that Daniel Negreanu only has 57 or so of the 7 million posts so he is "not that important". But this is a case of using stats to justify a decision you already made --postdiction if you will. I wonder how many threads Daniel Negreanu's name is a primary player in? How many hits do Daniel Negreanu's posts get (or the thread as a whole)? What type of media attention do Daniel's posts recieve, how many times have Daniel's posts been cited/quoted in other places vs. the typical 2+2 post???????????
Honestly, Forum traffic, registered users, and so on is about as reliable as radio ratings (I've probably registered at 2+2 a half a dozen times after losing my password and username). Most of the posts are by a core group of people --it only takes 100 posters with 50,000+ posts to make up the entire 7 million-- and the notion that "OMG 2+2 shows up on a chart of the Internet" is silly: Yeah G4 is a channel and shows up in my TV guide but who gives a shit??? Yes, 2+2 is the biggest online poker forum in the industry by far (the pokerstars of poker forums) but it's still a POKER FORUM, it's growth potential is limited. Let's keep things in perspective here; 2+2 is nothing more than the valadictorian of summer school. The fact that they are trying to claim 2+2 is bigger than Daniel Negreanu is just plain laughable.
"I believe 2p2 has well over 250,000 registered users now and has moved well beyond poker (maybe poker has moved on at the same time.)" The bold is probably the silliest thing I've seen in quite some time: The entire community is poker related, so without the one there is no 2+2! This would be like saying that Fantasy Football has moved past the NFL??????
Does Daniel's ban hurt 2+2? probably very slightly. but to try to wage a popularity contest with the most well-known poker player in the world is stupid. Do they have the right to ban people and run their business as they see fit? OF COURSE! Nobody is arguing that. but to have such a highly public battle that ends with people remembering, DANIEL NEGREANU IS NOT WELCOME AT 2+2, is terrible business sense.
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Mason and Professional Poker are trying to figure out how best to channel Micon and Shit the bed bigger then they did last week regarding the whole Daniel Negreanu situation.Dear Mr Todd "Dan Druff" Witteles,
Can you please remove and desist any previous, current and future menitons of twoplustwo on this site. If this persists we will be taking legal action.
Sincerely,
and of course on a side note of Twilight Zone phenomina Micon is channeling Mason Mallmuth and being a dick to Jasep demanding he remove his logo and tagline about Filthy Limper since he is no longer mindless handing over cash to Micon the Deg Slots player
Mason and Professional Poker are trying to figure out how best to channel Micon and Shit the bed bigger then they did last week regarding the whole Daniel Negreanu situation.Dear Mr Todd "Dan Druff" Witteles,
Can you please remove and desist any previous, current and future menitons of twoplustwo on this site. If this persists we will be taking legal action.
Sincerely,
and of course on a side note of Twilight Zone phenomina Micon is channeling Mason Mallmuth and being a dick to Jasep demanding he remove his logo and tagline about Filthy Limper since he is no longer mindless handing over cash to Micon the Deg Slots player
these assholes really write this this just last week?
and lol at "Dopamine Sea" what is the dopamine sea (upper right corner)-- is that what we get -- the rush from clicking and waiting for responses to trolling or seeing who responds to our musings on the net?
Did I miss the memo that it was "National Shit the Bed Week?" it seems like a lot of people have done it this past week.Mason and Professional Poker are trying to figure out how best to channel Micon and Shit the bed bigger then they did last week regarding the whole Daniel Negreanu situation.Dear Mr Todd "Dan Druff" Witteles,
Can you please remove and desist any previous, current and future menitons of twoplustwo on this site. If this persists we will be taking legal action.
Sincerely,
and of course on a side note of Twilight Zone phenomina Micon is channeling Mason Mallmuth and being a dick to Jasep demanding he remove his logo and tagline about Filthy Limper since he is no longer mindless handing over cash to Micon the Deg Slots player
2+2 sucks! First and foremost. I've registered 3 accounts there and have less than 5 posts total. I feel the same way about Boris for some reason, there's just something about the place I dislike. On 4 I hate the "small fish in a big pond" feel of it. No one really has much of an identity it seems to me. I think most posts- great ones even-go largely unnoticed because they just get lost or overlooked. I also find the skin very annoying and quite honestly I haven't browsed 4 in the last 5-6 months. It just doesn't interest me whatsoever.
Wait why are we talking about 4 right now anyway? I don't get it.
I was just browsing 4 a moment ago and realized JoeTall is a mod of the site. Why wouldn't he preface his pro-2+2 blog post with this information; seems pretty relevant to the dicussion to me.
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I just wish someone would start a serious poker forum just to give Mason and David some competition. Mason is a condescending jerk and Sklansky is a weirdo. The whole DN fiasco is hilarious and u get a peek into Masons thinking with some of his replies.
He is gonna do things that make him happy and the hell with everyone else. I would like to see this site take off and become successful. I've always found Todds writings to be upfront and honest about his take on matters pertaining to poker and other topics as well.
I hope this doesn't become a free for all forum where the inmates run the asylum because then it will loose all credibility like another that I shall not speak of.
Mason banning DN was a very foolish mistake.
Especially with PS spending so much on advertising at 2p2 and DN as their PS poster boy.
Mason is always yakking about the responsible growth of the industry but then he bans DN
who is an extremely popular global poker star who has done a lot to promote the industry.
Just doesn't make sense.
And regarding the Boyd cyber squatting law suit, I don't think Dutch has been telling the whole
story about the case. For Mason to spend $30k on lawyers tells me Dutch was being fairly obstinate and unwilling to resolve the case before it boiled over like it did.
I do enjoy Mason taking shots at Annie Duke though. She deserves all of it.
From what I've read on it he is definitely only telling 1/2 the story. Apparently the site had been developed (which means Dutch's insinuation he bought it on a flyer and never did anything with it completely false) and had links to 2+2 products and such
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Sounds like a reasonable goal to me. Current 2+2 Membership now at: 317,629
It's these members that need convincing that PFA will be run honestly, fairly, without the self interest banning, and most importantly, without malice and prejudice.
To get things rolling, I have a couple of ideas. First, we need an advertising budget (Druff, we'll be using your resources for this.) Banners of PFA will be posted on every poker related site. 100 sites should do it.
The next step is to hijack every 2+2 forum and thread, and post them here. 50% of Googled poker searches will now be directed to PFA. This can't hurt.
We might need a legal fund too just in case (once again Druff, this is where your resources come in to play.) It's likely we may have to defend ourselves from meritless suits.
Initial implementation may be a drain on (your) resources, but once we get significant traffic, revenues should soar. I'm thinking that by 6 months, we'll be in pretty good shape, so the sooner we get started, the sooner Mason becomes less relevent. And finally, expect Mason's minions to post disparaging remarks regarding this plan. They should be summarily deleted--without comment.
Joe Tall's puff piece is a 2plus2 poker forum moderator's obsequious adulation of the 2plus2 poker forum and it's owner.
Joe's ridiculous point is that because 2plus2 is a business, the owner, Mason Malmuth, can do what ever he wants. Then Joe mentions 2plus2's Terms Of Service to bolster his argument.
While Joe's comments are technically correct, they fail to address that businesses and their owners deserve to be criticized when they fuck up. Joe Tall would have you believe such entities have immunity just because they're privately owned. They don't.
There is little doubt Mason Malmuth could have handled the 'Negreaunu Ban' more smoothly. The same could be said for Malmuth's treatment of Haley Hintze, Dutch Boyd and others. However, Mason Malmuth has to do his Mason Malmuth thing, i.e., act like a complete fucking asshole.
Sure, it's a business Joe but if that business keeps screwing up and shitting all over its customers and advertisers or acting in a disreputable manner, there should and will be repercussions. A business DOES NOT get a free pass just because it's a business.
Joe Tall also forgets that the TOS is a two way street. Members agree to the rules because the owner agrees to offer them something of value. When the owner consistently breaks his end of the bargain he will lose the respect and loyalty of his community along with the 'privilege' of doing business with them.
The only one acting obstinate was Mason Malmuth.
Early on Dutch took down the web page (which was never completed anyway) PLUS at the same time Dutch returned the $10 domain name to Mason's lawyers. There was no harm, no foul.
Dutch was 100% willing to resolve this minor dispute. It only boiled over because of Mason Malmuth's douchebaggery.
I explain this in detail with several posts in a thread in the 'Scams, Scandals and Shadiness' section of PFA,
Mason Malmutt on Annie, Howard, Poker World Magazine, lawsuits, Dutch. from 4 pokercast.
It was a web page with links to books readily available through Amazon and other affiliates. Hundreds of affiliate websites offer 2plus2 products. It's perfectly legal and Mason Malmuth actually likes it. Malmuth got the hair across his ass over the domain name.
Dutch made little or no money with the web page PLUS he returned the $10 domain to Mason Malmuth long before the lawsuit. Mason is just being a dick, trying to 'legally extort' Dutch Boyd. To learn why Mason Malmuth cannot win this dispute, read my posts in this thread.
Pete, you sound like a politician when speaking about Dutch Boyd. Does it matter that the website that he built made no money? He obviously constructed it thinking it would make money and he could use someone elses brand for profit. That is scumbaggery to the tenth degree. I expect no less from a known liar and shady businessman such as Boyd.
You have many credible points, but your Dutch support makes me wonder if they are not part of an agenda as well.
Dutch has a history of getting caught lying while being up to no good and Dutch has a history of not making right on his responsibilities. End of story.
Payment Processors screwed Dutch, he passed the screwing on to his players while lying to keep his business operating... You think that is acceptable?
Dutch has cashed for 2 Million Dollars in Poker tournaments since then but hasn't even attempted to pay 1/2 of 1% to his players that were screwed by trusting him... You think that is acceptable?
Dutch bought a domain specifically designed to trick people in to thinking that it was owned by a company that already built a brand and then tried profiting from that brand, regardless of the result being no profit doesn't change intent. You think that is acceptable?
Dutch isn't even hisreal name, he picked it up after the PokerSpot debacle and used some lame excuse of a stranger saying his name wrong and it sticking...
Your such a smart guy, but at this point I am leaning toward you being a Dutch Boyd dupe, because that is the only reason I can think of for your political spin to make Dutch look innocent every time you talk about him.
Guy is a scumbag, admit it one time please.
Your insistence on focusing on Dutch Boyd has blinded you to my original premise. I believe Mason Malmuth overreacted by spending $34,000 to gain control over a $10 domain name he already owned. I also know Malmuth lost and Boyd won.
It's really that simple.
I have already explained this in great detail throughout several posts in another thread starting here.
You want to excuse Mason Malmuth's stupid and foolish behavior because you despise Dutch Boyd?!! That makes no sense.
This is not about Dutch Boyd. It's about 2plus2 and Mason Malmuth.
No, I will be completely clear, Mason is an asshole. His behavior was foolish and over the top...Your insistence on focusing on Dutch Boyd has blinded you to my original premise. I believe Mason Malmuth overreacted by spending $34,000 to gain control over a $10 domain name he already owned. I also know Malmuth lost and Boyd won.
It's really that simple.
I have already explained this in great detail throughout several posts in another thread starting here.
You want to excuse Mason Malmuth's stupid and foolish behavior because you despise Dutch Boyd?!! That makes no sense.
This is not about Dutch Boyd. It's about 2plus2 and Mason Malmuth.
Now you go.... (Dutch is a scumbag etc.)
Basically Malmuth sucks and Dutch blows. I don't know Dutch, but from his interviews and posts around the poker world he seems to be nothing more than your run-of-the-mill excuse-a-minute machine, and always seems to somehow be the victim in everything. Everytime something goes wrong the excuses start:No, I will be completely clear, Mason is an asshole. His behavior was foolish and over the top...
Now you go.... (Dutch is a scumbag etc.)
- It wasn't me it was the payment processors (and like Jasep said he has done nothing since to make good on the situation)
- I bought the domain along with 100's of others; I never did anything with the site (despite the fact it was developed to some degree); I never made money on the site; I gave it back (which really absolves you of no wrongdoing, it's like stealing a shirt and when you get caught saying "well I gave it back when you found out!")
- When he fell off the poker radar he claimed being Bipolar and that the meds messed him up (which could very well be true, but it's another case of him playing the victim card and making excuses)
- I believe it was Gank that couldn't stand Dutch and eventually wanted nothing to do with him
This is on top of his overall theme he created for himself as the "tortured genius", and let's not forget that Dutch and his "crew" were the first people to have detailed databases of online tournaments, and the capability to study every hand the best online tournament players played including hole-cards-- since PokerSpot was the first online poker site to offer tournaments --might help explain why they had such a good run at the beginning of the boom.
So, while I dislike Malmuth, I also have major skepticism when it comes to Dutch Boyd
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