Agreed.Originally Posted by gut
The fact is that had jasep stayed out of any beef with STP then this situation may have at least been delayed.
This was a house of cards that was inevitably going to come down, but the STP expose was the beginning of the end.
Basically what I was alluding to as well. He is the 2013, internet version of the guy who crashes on your couch for 3 months, borrows your car all the time, and never pays for rent or gas. It's low level shit, but after time it adds up. The charity thing is still fucked up, but I don't think it was a mastermind trying to steal, it was his newest way to make rent and child support that just happened to present itself.I think the point of this is that he hasn't been in a short term bind.
He has been struggling for awhile, it lends more credence to the fact that this was pre-meditated.
Even though he wasn't as good at it as Peter, I think it is coming more into light that he is a long-term low grade scammer.
During our show on LLPR we had STP on as a guest. He said that he was willing to reconcile and maybe work things out with Druff. He sounded sincere to me.Agreed.
The fact is that had jasep stayed out of any beef with STP then this situation may have at least been delayed.
Seems like this was a house of cards though that was inevitably going to come down, but the STP expose was the beginning of the end.
I want to clarify something.
When Jasep first approached me for the BAP, that's when I just said "Yes", assuming everything would be fine.
When I saw the actual post itself, I thoguht to myself, "Well, this isn't what I expected, but I gave him permission, and at least he's being up front with his situation."
Very shortly after that (maybe even the same day), China and Brandon contacted me (separately) expressing concern. However, all three of us agreed that we did not have nearly enough evidence to call him out. In fact, the general sentiment was, "I hope this all turns out okay, but there's really nothing convincing we can say right now."
Brandon's $600 is really a moot point here. I can assure everyone that Brandon had a very good year in 2012, and did not need the $600. There's no way he would have freerolled the community for it. I can tell you that I honestly believe that Brandon felt that it was just natural to roll that $600 into the BAP, and in fact he was doing Jasep a favor by not requiring him to cough up the $600 directly and instead use it to play poker to get himself back off the ground. Had Brandon really sat down and thought about it, he probably would have decided it was better to disclose the full situation, but I'm sure his thought at the time was, "It's just $600. Just put it in your BAP. Whatever."
No chance Brandon was intentionally trying to take advantage of this. In fact, if getting paid was Brandon's motivation, he could have just quietly approached Jasep and threatened to go public, and I'm sure Jasep would have found some way to get it to him within a few weeks (involving another scam, obviously). Brandon didn't do that. He came forward as soon as we had enough evidence to convincingly accuse Jasep, which pretty much fucked him out of ever getting his money.
gimme a break, chico escuela isn't going to the big house.
look around. we have a hackers forum here, people who tell us how to roll sportsbooks and restaurants. and the owner likes to mke crank phone calls pretending to be a lawyer. did i mention all the rampant racism and black cock.
yeah...pokerfraudalert is serious fucking business, alright.
phew it's back up....what a relief.Bring what up, a coming soon page? LOL
I spoke at length earlier with Tim Byrd. Tim Byrd hosted the first season or two of filthy limper radio with Jasep and Kevin. He has known Jasep since they were 3 years old. Jasep has referred to Tim repeatedly as a brother on air. A few revelations from our conversation.
Up until last month Johnny had been living in his mom's house for the past few years. When Jasep mentioned on air and privately about owning or paying rent, that was fictitious. There was confusion about him being recently evicted. Except for an old eviction that was found when he was younger, there is no other evidence at this time suggesting otherwise.
Tim confirmed Johnny's brother owned a restaurant and offered Johnny a percentage of ownership. Tim did not know the figure however Jasep's claim that he owned several restaurants is false.
Tim put up 100 % of his own money to start filthy limper radio.
Tim has supported/helped Johnny financially for many years until recently in the past year or so cutting him off, although he gave him money a few months ago to fix his car. A car that Kevin informed Johny has since sold.
Tim had no financial interest in VPR or filthy limper radio. He had no clue what I was talking about when I mentioned that Johnny had stated since day 1 that Tim owned half of Johnny 1/3 ownership stake because he didnt want to except a buy out from Tim. All of this was news to him.
I asked Tim if to his knowledge he ever knew of Johnny committing a scam or stealing from someone. He stated no but stated that since he could remember Johnny had a history of lying and that was a reoccurring problem in there friendship.
Tim had no idea about the felony identity fraud/theft charge.
Tim had no idea and never gave consent for Johnny to use his name to vouch for his poker results in the BAPS Jasep ran.
Tim was very upset by all he had found out in the past few days and even admitted how strong he felt about Johnny but stated his feeling that Johnny deserves whatever is coming to him and that contacting RI authorities in regards to any crimes committed was what needed to be done.
Tim told me he would contact Johnny by email to attempt to talk to him about making this right and explaining this wasn't something that he could just ignore. He told me if he didn't respond to his email, he would drive to Jasep's girlfriends home, which he has been to once and is an hour and a half away.
Tim pledged to help us in anyway he possibly can.
He is something pretty hof and I am going to bed after this for the evening.
I just realized something about the Registrant Agent for the old Sepulveda family business.
It is Gordon D Fox.
Who the fuck is Gordon D Fox?
Besides being the Sepulveda business attorney, he is also the first openly gay House Speaker in the United States.
Story checks out.
I was hoping you edited the page first to include him helping the Seps register a business.Story checks out.
Okay.I was hoping you edited the page first to include him helping the Seps register a business.
I saw someone mentioned me as a possible source of information. I always know much less than anyone else here regarding shit like this, and don’t get involved in this type of thing. I’m not on AIM or im’g much of anything besides a random hello occasionally. I knew once CMoney posted/Druff let it continue/Anal was crushing skulls with the confidence of a man in the know, where it was heading, but just from experience, not because I knew anything. I generally just sit this shit out and keep my opinion to myself and enjoy the read if it’s not my money involved, but since it appears the ship has sailed, I will add my thoughts.
First, the thread should be labeled: Juansep Scam/ An Exploration in Entitlement Issues, because that’s all this thread is in a big way now.
This is how a dude like Juansep thinks imo, “I came up with the idea for the charity podcast. Without me, they would have nothing, but now they have a few thousand dollars.”
When he was setting up VPR and telling everyone different stories, his thinking is “I am doing all the work, and this thing is going to be huge, and no one will care once the money starts rolling in exactly what may have been said originally. Mark and Brandon didn’t invest anything really, so what exact percentage they own is unimportant, and neither of them is real vigilant about the small details anyway.”
This is how a cat like him reconciles this shit in his brain I think. He’s an entitled dreamer.
Sociopath is a generic term anymore. Are you wrong to label him one? No, but it’s a whole different beast than someone like peterdc. If there was a staging system, they would be on opposite ends of the spectrum. Peter breathes to scam. Sex doesn’t interest him. People are just disposable pawns to achieve his end. He doesn’t want, need, nor desire friends, family, or anything but the hustle from all accounts. Juansep desires all that shit and is wired wrong at this point, but not like Peter. The mental gymnastics Juansep performs to justify this shit in his brain is a problem Peter doesn’t have. He knows exactly what he is, and nothing has to be reconciled.
Juan draws a line in the sand, crosses it, draws another, and sleeps at night by telling himself that he’ll keep all the balls in the air. He’s a glorified check-kiter who has now crossed to the really dark side with the charity thing if true. With Peter, there was no line, ever. If he hasn’t scammed a charity, it’s simply because he hasn’t found the right one to scam yet. That’s what I personally deem a true sociopath, but it’s all semantics. I won’t say with certainty a true sociopath is born, but he is certainly created really early if he isn’t simply born. The percentage of addicts that will steal the change jug off the counter meant to buy wheelchairs is alarmingly high. Most of those people became that at a later stage, they weren’t always that creature simply waiting to emerge I don’t think. Their life could have gone a different direction. Juansep is closer to them than Peter imo. Both sick fucks, but different. The fascination with Peter is that he’s just a whole lot more interesting, and what he pulls off, most of us would struggle engineering. This Jasep thing could be pulled off by 20 guys here.
I am no psychiatrist, so this is all just my opinion. I’ve known people who have turned into shit like this. Unless you walk in on your wife and the mailman, most people don’t end up locked up over a singular bad decision, but rather a series of bad decisions. If Juan was always this, I don’t think he’d have people he’s known for 30 years surprised by his actions. I think they would have figured it out 15 years ago.
The very first post in this thread by him spells it all out. It screams, “I am a busted up and broke Rican. Please give me some money so I don’t have to get a real job.” If you donated just to lend a hand to a dude from the internet, props to you for being nice. But for those fuckers whining about not being told hunches by those with incomplete information, just lol at you.
I am literally shocked that anyone is mad at anyone else besides Juan, and viewed this thread as anything other than what it was.
The fucker begged for money to play live small stakes poker(which is probably not even beatable for more than minimum wage, at best, with a 5k roll) because he didn’t want to get a real job. This is clearly stated in the OP.
If you needed clued in, it’s time to board the short bus.
If I ever make a thread asking for money, and offering what seems a great deal, assume I am a broke n-word. If I am really offering something of value, why aren’t my family and friends throwing money at me? If I can’t make a compelling case to those that have known me forever, then I’ve done something in the past to create doubt as to my trustworthiness, or to whether I actually know a good deal when I see it. Why don’t I have my own line of credit with everyone from banks to real life friends? Something is amiss if I don’t. Juan isn’t 21, he’s in his 30’s.
I think I was the first to defend 4bet in his thread, and shadyj in his Templar thread because they both had the same issues essentially. I didn’t vigorously defend them, but I called off the lynch mob a little because I understood what they were getting at. If you say you’re going to send x on Monday, send that shit on Monday. If you can’t, contact me and tell me why. If I tell you I will send you x on Monday, and don’t, and I disappear for multiple days, then the only correct response from me will be it’s totally my fault, and whatever you thought or posted about me I had coming. We aren’t childhood friends, it’s the internet. Being sloppy is the first warning sign.
The night he posted this thread, my first thought was, “he’s broke, I wonder how that happened?” I went and listened to his show just out of curiosity as I hadn’t heard it much, and it wasn’t like it was some big secret. He was saying, “Drexel, you are running good, you don’t know what it is like, blah, blah…” --that he was busted up wasn’t some secret that he was keeping, or up to Drexel to spell out for you. He was clearly depressed. It was blatantly obvious, just like the first post here. If you think it’s Druff or Drexel or china’s fault, you have similar entitlement issues as Juan does. You think it’s up to them to actually explain how to use your brain.
If you didn’t think you were also buying his gas, his lunch, paying the electric bill, etc., you weren’t paying attention to what he was coming across with. This wasn’t a guy down to his last $10k. That dude isn’t talking about blank resumes and menial labor if he’s been a winning player for a dozen years. This was a guy clearly with loose change rattling around in his pocket. I just assumed people were buying shares like charity. I am amazed that there are people that didn’t get that. I am not mocking those who invested, just those that are surprised that he was broke at the time of the thread and are now complaining. I can understand surprise that he’s a total scammer, but not that he was broke.
If a dude has baby momma problems, and now more kid problems with kids who aren’t even his, his life is a mess. There are a lot of good poker players, but if your home life is unstable, it’s simply a matter of time until someone ends up holding the bag. You might see some early 20-something successful players who are broadcasting their problems, but I don’t know many over 30 players who have endured where that is the case. Something that looks sloppy, acts sloppily, and has a sloppy home situation isn’t a real good place to park money.
My first thought upon reading the OP was, “Go work the menial job first for 90 days, and then maybe you’ll recall why you wanted to be a poker player in the first place and put the necessary work in to beat the game.” I would have found a blog about working doubles at McDonald’s, how bad it sucks, and how he’s saving his money and studying poker strategy at night/weekends more interesting than what he was putting out. Come back after a few months flinging fries and ask people to match your own money, and then we might have a plan, and a working bankroll. I started to post that, and then remembered that I don’t really like people telling me what to do with my money, so I let it go. Wouldn’t have mattered, he was already past that point.
The vacant house with the identity theft was the deciding factor to me that he was really over the line. I can think of a lot of ways a young couple with a kid could co-mingle money and it could go south and end up in an identity theft claim, but not with a vacant house address. That’s criminality, and a pro move already at that point, not a domestic squabble.
For most of you, it’s small money and you are just disappointed. That’s cool and understandable. I hope you get it back; I doubt you will. I feel bad for the charity, Pika as he got raked pretty heavy, and those that knew Juan for a long time. It’s painful to see someone you know become sick when you have spent real time with them.
I feel bad for Drexel, China, and vegas also. Particularly Drex as he is catching heat for not stating the obvious, and he's probably got rolled by more of the scammers than anyone else. Not because he's gullible, he just seems to think more like he's still side betting with reggi and Adam like the old days, rather than with people who don't have shit. Templar I think freerolled him during yebsite match. He got stuck with $3k hotel bill after peter was exposed, and now another $1k here. He feels bad for everyone else, but he's taken his lumps from scams right along with others.
In the future, beware of the fuckers who want to be really involved in a hurry. If someone has a productive life outside of the internet, they aren’t in some rush to be involved in every issue that comes up here, whether it’s holding money, offering help to those they barely know, etc. It comes off as helpful, but who the fuck wants to escrow every $20 bet when they have a life? Who is overly concerned about every issue? It’s abnormal if you think about it. It’s simply an exercise in trust building.
edit-damn, sorry for the novel. After days of reading, the thoughts came out in greater volume than i realized.
So, is this the longest thread on PFA yet?
In terms of replies, yes by a mile.
Great post, BCR. I agree almost 100%.
I dont know beer but I do know BCR Has the longest Post in PFA History. I havent read that much since High School.
I've tried to keep up but it's getting way repetitive without nothing new coming to light we all just keep rehashing the same things.
Jasep has a message for everyone:
More fun facts about this thread:
Anal_Hershiser has posted in this thread 168 times. That's roughly 10% of this thread, as well as his total postcount.
2nd place is Jasep with 82 posts. China with 74, Dan Druff 67, ShadyJ 50.
What can I say that hasn't been said before, BCR is flat out the best. My ATF poster and the smartest guy in the room.
My question for those who bought more shares
The guy you are staking was convicted of ID theft AND fraud.
He is avoiding questions
He took a public stake private.
Why are people buying more shares?
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