I dunno, 6 Toes added some content. Same with Jewdonk.
It's tough having to carry the water around here.
I believe one of the reasons why Donkdown collapsed was the jettison of Felon, Jewdonk, Wrenchjockey and Hoser.
There is not many of us left from 2008. We are going the way of the Republicans and other taxpayers. Very sad, but true
This is my only problem with any of these scams/etc. Behind closed doors this info comes out but then it is hours/days/weeks before any of it is passed down.
Now the shit storm happens and you have no problem wasting your time writing paragraphs about the situation and replying to posts......but you're just like many of the people earlier in the thread. You do not have a stake in this bap and have nothing to lose.
I think the likelihood of being paid goes down with each post made in this thread. At some point his name will be so muddy that there won't be a reason to pay.
i would like to know what Kevin has to say, he sounds like a pretty decent guy on the radio and he seems to have known Johnny the longest
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With all of these allegations there are two sides to every story, and I haven't heard his. "Selling part of VPR for 6000... without [his business partners] knowing" is one way to look at it. I'd want to see the documents, agreements (read: evidence) to determine what the real story on that is.
This isn't a Templar type situation where nobody knows any details about the guy -- people have his personal info, right? He's reachable. (maybe less so today than a few days ago, but in general).
I keep wanting to post my analysis of this situation, but I want to reply to everyone's direct questions first.
You raise a good point, but whenever these things are presented to me "behind the scenes", I have to make a decision.
Basically, I have to keep people's secrets if they tell me things in confidence. If I promise to keep a secret and then announce it on the forum (supposedly for the good of the userbase), then nobody will ever trust me to keep any secrets in the future, and I will never be told stuff like this again. That would be counter-productive to protecting the userbase from future scams.
However, at the same time, I can't sit by and watch people get scammed when I know something that the public doesn't.
By the time I found out something was possibly wrong, Jasep had collected all of the money. There was no more to be scammed -- at least not until people came calling for THIS money. Therefore, since it looked like the deed was already done, I did not feel comfortable violating people's confidence and outing what they wanted me to hold back.
Furthermore, much of the "evidence" was circumstantial at the time, and many involved did not want to drag Jasep's good name through the mud unless they were relatively certain something was wrong.
Once enough evidence came to light (thanks to investigating by China and Brandon, primarily), the decision was made to out everything.
I guess im the only one who thinks that Drexel was shady as hell. He knew Jasep was broke and not only didnt he tell anyone about it he rolled money that didnt exsist into the bap. The people buying in thought the bap was for 5k but Drexel knew he didnt have 5k. Not to mention Drexel has a big name and when it says you invested 2k in jasep that makes everyone else feel its a safe investment. Not that it couldnt lose but that they wouldnt get rolled.
It probably wasn't a scam. Most loans to poker lowlifes are based on them hoping they'll win and pay you back. The problem is they really don't care. I've seen other people say he is "basically a good guy". WHY? Do bad guys who aren't straight gangsters go around trying to look "bad" ? Ever? No. In fact, they put far more effort into trying to look "good". Those are the warning signs. Fucking hooks. Hate em, but respect them at the same time. I wish I had been born a sociopath.
I hadn't even paid much attention to Jasep and had nothing to say until I read his bullshit about offering everyone respect. I then decided to rip into him and tell people whats up. These geeks have no clue. People meet a guy, he gives em a mental handy and his rep is near golden. All one can do is sit back and laugh at it all.
I didn't tell my story earlier because Jasep had my real name and address. I did not want to give him any reason to post it if I told my story. Kinda like he did with the 6toed letter at VPR. The only reason I PM'd druff before I posted was to ask him to keep an eye out and please delete my name if Jasep posted it.
Go back and read exactly what that very trusted member wrote. Seems like the 6k deal was done before vpr even existed... So I am not sure it is accurate for you to say "he sold 6k worth of the site [by which you mean the site that he owned with china and drexel". Like I say, I don't know what the exact facts are. At the same time, I'm not accusing you of pulling anything out of the sky.
He was probably thinking the same thing I was, Jasep doesn't have any money and this Stake is his chance to pull himself up off the ground. My investmnent was also a rollover from previous BAP because I believed he couldn't pay me if I asked for the $200 and didn't want to make things worse for him or the other people he owed money. I'd also done a dozen transactions with the guy including the waterslide thingy, where he could have gotten $100 out of me and put me off til the spring if he needed to (which is when I asked him to bring it to me). To me everything about the guy screamed Hustler, but with some ethics. Which could still be true if he makes things right
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Simp, As an investor I know where you are coming from. I actually just spoke to Jasep. He has asked all his investors to give him until the 6th like he said to refund everything. Also, this 22q stuff, let's wait and see (although I'll bet that he's in the clear with this... not a big bet, but still think he didn't do what is being accused). I don't think he is going to scam us (investors, I don't have any say in anything else) since he has responded otherwise he would just ignore it. I have filed claims with paypal ONLY to protect myself, not because I think I won't get paid back. He understands my move here. I hope he pulls this out and proves a lot of this to be wrong. We will find out soon.
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