The 25th Amendment

[Walter Sobchak]

After they finish certifying the election tonight, the House should impeach Trump and the Senate should convict him. They have the votes now. Penalty, removal from office plus disqualification from ever holding public office under the United States.

Not enough time and too much red tape.

If he’s going out for his last 14 days it going to have be the 25th.

I'll take that.

[Salty_Aus]

I used to watch David Letterman back in the day. Late 80s I guess. And I used to always wonder why Trump was constantly showing up to get his face on the telly... with DL relentlessly taking the piss.

This is when I first figured he's genuinely a narcissist. All he cares about is being the centre of attention.

BTW David Letterman wasn't pretending, he strongly dislikes him.

Yes, Trump is a narccisist. This has been clear for decades.

Narcissistic Personality Disorder is regarded as a Type B personality disorder. Along with psychopathy and Borderline Personality Disorder, Sadism, Manic Bipolar etc

They're usually linked to each other in some way.

Sociopathic Narcissist in my opinion.

On the bright side sociopaths often excel in politics.

[Walter Sobchak]

You have a link on the +1? I’ve never heard that. Seems an easy solution for those who want their party back.

you;ve never heard of it because there's only been 3 Presidential impeachments, and 2 of them were second term presidents where it wasn't a realistic punishment. BUT, other fed officials have been impeached under this system, and that's where we get the specifics of how it works.

Article 1, section 3. Clause 7.

https://constitution.congress.gov/br...rtI_S3_C7_1_1/

"Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law."

Simple majority is all that's needed, while removal needs 2/3 of the Senate. Footnote 3 from the link above references the case where this was established, when a judge was impeached and removed from office on multiple articles of impeachment, and then was also disqualified from any official position in the US govt/judiciary by a Senate vote of 39-35.

Holy shit I did not know that. I thought he had to be convicted by 2/3 for any penalty at all.

[Walter Sobchak]

I don't see how the 25th Amendment really applies here.

Trump isn't unable to fulfill his duties. He's just acting in a way that a lot of people (even his own Cabinet, apparently) don't like.

That's a huge difference between being unable to fulfill his duties.

This is really aimed at Presidents who are physically incapacitated, mentally disabled (Biden might get there in a few years), or clinically insane.

Being in denial of your defeat and implicitly encouraging rioters to fight for you doesn't quite qualify. I'm not saying it can't happen, but that it wasn't really made for this.

Trump is extremely dangerous as today proves. Who knows what he might do next. Even the joint chiefs and members of the cabinet fear for what he might try to pull in these last two weeks.

The 25th Amendment can be used whenever the VP and a majority of the cabinet feel the president should not continue to serve at that time. Clearly that time has arrived.

[Walter Sobchak]

Wow, between the media and politicians, they all gained up against Trump tonight like he’s the national bad guy. All the guy wanted to do was make the nation better.

Maybe so, but he LOST. Now he is trying to overthrow the government to stay in power. He should be in prison at a minimum.

[desertrunner]

i cant believe mike pence, mitch mcconnell and lindsey graham all gained up on trump like this.

Agree.

[desertrunner]

Wow, between the media and politicians, they all gained up against Trump tonight like he’s the national bad guy. All the guy wanted to do was make the nation better.

Maybe so, but he LOST. Now he is trying to overthrow the government to stay in power. He should be in prison at a minimum.

You know he won and the left cheated.

[Walter Sobchak]

Maybe so, but he LOST. Now he is trying to overthrow the government to stay in power. He should be in prison at a minimum.

You know he won and the left cheated.

Wrong, traitor.

[GrenadaRoger]

to all those insisting that Biden won fairly:

well then you shouldn't object improved controls over election vote counting and measures to prevent ballot box stuffing, because if your claim that the 2020 election was fair, improved controls would make no difference in the result.

for example, how about sequentially pre-numbering mail in ballots so that they can be counted only once, not reproduced and only ballots issued with be counted--after all, we have serial numbers on our money to combat counterfeiting, so should they be on ballots also---this is so obvious a protection it is almost as if the powers that be allowed that weakness in order to take advantage

[Walter Sobchak]

to all those insisting that Biden won fairly:

well then you shouldn't object improved controls over election vote counting and measures to prevent ballot box stuffing, because if your claim that the 2020 election was fair, improved controls would make no difference in the result.

for example, how about sequentially pre-numbering mail in ballots so that they can be counted only once, not reproduced and only ballots issued with be counted--after all, we have serial numbers on our money to combat counterfeiting, so should they be on ballots also---this is so obvious a protection it is almost as if the powers that be allowed that weakness in order to take advantage

This is already done.

[TheXFactor]

I don't see how the 25th Amendment really applies here.

Trump isn't unable to fulfill his duties. He's just acting in a way that a lot of people (even his own Cabinet, apparently) don't like.

That's a huge difference between being unable to fulfill his duties.

This is really aimed at Presidents who are physically incapacitated, mentally disabled (Biden might get there in a few years), or clinically insane.

Being in denial of your defeat and implicitly encouraging rioters to fight for you doesn't quite qualify. I'm not saying it can't happen, but that it wasn't really made for this.

Trump is extremely dangerous as today proves. Who knows what he might do next. Even the joint chiefs and members of the cabinet fear for what he might try to pull in these last two weeks.

The 25th Amendment can be used whenever the VP and a majority of the cabinet feel the president should not continue to serve at that time. Clearly that time has arrived.

So what country does Trump use nuclear weapons on?

Iran? Iraq? Afghanistan? Syria? Pakistan? Turkey?

Trump has nothing to lose and Congress doesn't have the balls to go after him.

I hate to spoil it for you but Trump is the newest James Bond villain plotting destruction against mankind and no one can stop him.

[sonatine]

Yes, Trump is a narccisist. This has been clear for decades.

Narcissistic Personality Disorder is regarded as a Type B personality disorder. Along with psychopathy and Borderline Personality Disorder, Sadism, Manic Bipolar etc

They're usually linked to each other in some way.

Sociopathic Narcissist in my opinion.

On the bright side sociopaths often excel in politics.

it really is texbook sociopathic narcissism. and the people most forgiving of it on this site also exhibit many of the same markers.

[sonatine]

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[big dick]

biden voters aren't a bunch of morons who run around draped in Biden flags shirts and hats so it shouldn't be a problem

only retards do stuff like that

[adamantium]

Maybe so, but he LOST. Now he is trying to overthrow the government to stay in power. He should be in prison at a minimum.

You know he won and the left cheated.

Do you really believe this or are you just fucking around?

[sonatine]

You know he won and the left cheated.

Do you really believe this or are you just fucking around?

he 100% believes it. none of this is an act.

[MumblesBadly]

Not enough time and too much red tape.

If he’s going out for his last 14 days it going to have be the 25th.

I'll take that.

Regardless of what Pence and a majority of the Cabinet does based on the 25th Amendment, 2/3rds of both Houses of Congress would need to go along with their plan to declare Trump *UNABLE* to continue as President after Trump responds saying he is *able* to continue. and we already know that the Senate wouldn’t be able to scrape together 67 votes to throw Trump out before his term expires on the 20th.

[sonatine]

house dems circulating articles of impeachment, which im sure will amount to exactly fuckall again.

[GrenadaRoger]

to all those insisting that Biden won fairly:

well then you shouldn't object improved controls over election vote counting and measures to prevent ballot box stuffing, because if your claim that the 2020 election was fair, improved controls would make no difference in the result.

for example, how about sequentially pre-numbering mail in ballots so that they can be counted only once, not reproduced and only ballots issued with be counted--after all, we have serial numbers on our money to combat counterfeiting, so should they be on ballots also---this is so obvious a protection it is almost as if the powers that be allowed that weakness in order to take advantage

This is already done.

oh really? so how come no challenge to Guilliani's claim of ballots being fed through vote machines multiple times? With a serial number on the ballot, the image scanned & preserved, the potential duplicates would be identified easily (optical character recognition power)....but i haven't heard any official step up with a rebuttal.

But you claim the numbering is there, so please provide a link to back up your claim. Maybe you are right. From my limited experience with the vote counting process in my state, there are well thought out procedures written down for the county clerks & secretary of state to follow. Maybe prenumbering was done in all disputed states. So please provide a link. Thanks.

[sonatine]

Former AG Barr has called Trump’s actions a “betrayal of his office and supporters” after MAGA rioters stormed the Capitol. In a statement Barr said Trump was responsible for “orchestrating a mob to pressure Congress,” calling his former boss’ actions “inexcusable.”


the plot thickens.