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    Quote Originally Posted by duped_samaritan View Post
    How about you just tell us your source on all the statistics you just mentioned. I suspect you're literally just pulling them out of your ass.

    The chart Mr. Tickles posted isn't idiotic or skewed. It's the population of Texas. Not just 100,000 people like split seems to think.

    Are we really having a "charts and statistics are stupid let me just tell you the truth without any data to back it up" argument?
    Which statements did I make which you doubt?

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    Are we really in a world where you can just make statements without any evidence, and can just brush aside someone who uses actual facts and figures? This is 2019, we have the internet and access to mass data. Your personal thoughts and feelings are wrong if they contradict the data. It's just the truth. It's just a poker player making a bad call cos he has a "feeling".

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by duped_samaritan View Post
    How about you just tell us your source on all the statistics you just mentioned. I suspect you're literally just pulling them out of your ass.

    The chart Mr. Tickles posted isn't idiotic or skewed. It's the population of Texas. Not just 100,000 people like split seems to think.

    Are we really having a "charts and statistics are stupid let me just tell you the truth without any data to back it up" argument?
    I simplified the numbers to make a point about how stupid those results are. Apparently those who cannot see how wrong the graph is also cannot see many things.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by splitthis View Post
    I simplified the numbers to make a point about how stupid those results are. Apparently those who cannot see how wrong the graph is also cannot see many things.
    Each bar is per 100k, not each graph. Try again. Did you pass math class? If each graph was per 100k then you'd be right, but that would be a very dishonest way of doing the graph.


    Here is raw data:

    Natives were convicted of 409,708 crimes, illegal immigrants were convicted of 15,803 crimes, and legal immigrants were convicted of 17,785 crimes in Texas in 2015. Thus, there were 1,797 criminal convictions of natives for every 100,000 natives, 899 criminal convictions of illegal immigrants for every 100,000 illegal immigrants, and 611 criminal convictions of legal immigrants for every 100,000 legal immigrants (Figure 1). As a percentage of their respective populations, there were 50 percent fewer criminal convictions of illegal immigrants than of native-born Americans in Texas in 2015. The criminal conviction rate for legal immigrants was about 66 percent below the native-born rate.


    So it's not skewed at all.

    Go back to school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Which statements did I make which you doubt?
    My main issue is with you implying that you agree with Splits idiotic take on the graph/just dismissing the graph bc it's a graph.

    The stats you threw out may or may not be true, I don't know bc you provided no source. This one seems the least likely to be accurate:

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    If you take out the illegal immigrants over 35 (the ones who mostly come here to work, and not to commit crimes), suddenly the crime rate skews WAY up, and much more than it does for the non-illegal population.
    I would be very interested to see the crime data behind illegal immigrants under 35 vs legal residents under 35. Is there any evidence that an illegal immigrant under 35 is more likely to commit a crime than a US citizen under 35?? (I realize that's not exactly what you are claiming) Perhaps the numbers are much closer than ageless numbers...but it would be interesting to see them.

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    Have some more graphs. Hope you can read them

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    You just proved more need for the wall. Your graphs are bs.
    Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeD View Post
    Interesting chart and statistics, that is, until such crime affects your family.

    I'm guessing that once you or your family becomes a victim of someone who should never have been in this Country, the rationale that anyone can be a victim anywhere at any time probably moves the chart and stats into the strawman containment thread.
    Can't stress how great this post is. And so so true.

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    If you dont immigrate through the proper channels, you are AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT.

    IL-LEGAL.

    GRAPH THAT SUCKAS.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pooh View Post
    Can't stress how great this post is. And so so true.
    Could use the exact same argument for parents who have had their kids gunned down in Math class and want stricter gun laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by duped_samaritan View Post
    Could use the exact same argument for parents who have had their kids gunned down in Math class and want stricter gun laws.
    It's very true. Can't really blame them and I'm on the other side on these issues.

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    I'm not even against immigration. I'm against unvetted, illegal immigration. Come through the front door and have a great life. These illegals who are here now. I couldn't care less if they stay. Just vet the fuckers. Make sure they have no criminal records, pay their own way and aren't terrorists.

     
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    How bout some more skewed logic. Maybe if the govment would quit supporting babymamas having multiple children from multiple babydaddies, then illegal immigration will decrease.

     
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    Listen geniuses, all legal citizens should get the fuck out, lets fill the country with illegals so our crime rate will be lower.
    Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same.

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    Dat shit be racist and shit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pooh View Post
    I'm not even against immigration. I'm against unvetted, illegal immigration. Come through the front door and have a great life. These illegals who are here now. I couldn't care less if they stay. Just vet the fuckers. Make sure they have no criminal records, pay their own way and aren't terrorists.

    Pay their own way..... lullz

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    Quote Originally Posted by splitthis View Post
    Listen geniuses, all legal citizens should get the fuck out, lets fill the country with illegals so our crime rate will be lower.
    sad to see you fell off the wagon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    The graph is BS in other ways, too.

    If you take out the illegal immigrants over 35 (the ones who mostly come here to work, and not to commit crimes), suddenly the crime rate skews WAY up, and much more than it does for the non-illegal population.

    Additionally, if you take the children of illegal immigrants born legally in the US (grouped with "Native population" in that graph), you'll see they commit significantly more crime than their illegal parents (even if viewed through their entire lifetime). This is, again, because the parents come here to work and support their families (and aren't likely to commit crimes), but the kids are a different story and are notoriously violent. Many of the roughest Hispanic neighborhoods in the US see crime mostly committed by the US-born children and grandchildren of illegal immigrants.

    Always read these graphs, statistics, and charts with caution, as the "researchers" often have a political point to prove, and can group the data in a way which falls favorably to their ideology.



    I blame this shit all on this guy and that bs movie.

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    Lake Tahoe area relatively scenic?

    You don't say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    The graph is BS in other ways, too.

    If you take out the illegal immigrants over 35 (the ones who mostly come here to work, and not to commit crimes), suddenly the crime rate skews WAY up, and much more than it does for the non-illegal population.

    Additionally, if you take the children of illegal immigrants born legally in the US (grouped with "Native population" in that graph), you'll see they commit significantly more crime than their illegal parents (even if viewed through their entire lifetime). This is, again, because the parents come here to work and support their families (and aren't likely to commit crimes), but the kids are a different story and are notoriously violent. Many of the roughest Hispanic neighborhoods in the US see crime mostly committed by the US-born children and grandchildren of illegal immigrants.

    Always read these graphs, statistics, and charts with caution, as the "researchers" often have a political point to prove, and can group the data in a way which falls favorably to their ideology.
    It actually isn't skewed. You want it skewed, but it is not. I'd like to see the source of your claims at least.

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