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    id rather vote for Mickey Rourke

     
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    Progressive YouTubers are not happy with Beto entering the race as they see him as someone the establishment Dems could get behind to keep Bernie Sanders from getting the nomination if Biden falters, and at least one has floated the kotion that his 1st day fundraising haul was rigged.


     
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    I actually hope this [second impeachment] succeeds, because I want Trump put down politically like a sick, 14-year-old dog. ... I don't want him complicating the 2024 primary season. I just want him done.
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    Were Republicans cowardly or unethical not to go along with [convicting Trump in the second impeachment Senate trial]? No. The smart move was to reject it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MumblesBadly View Post
    Progressive YouTubers are not happy with Beto entering the race as they see him as someone the establishment Dems could get behind to keep Bernie Sanders from getting the nomination if Biden falters, and at least one has floated the kotion that his 1st day fundraising haul was rigged.


    so mumbles where u at with this, are u all in for beto already, who is ur dream prez candidate for 2020? im trying to figure out if arguing with u for beto v trump is my worst nightmare

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    Progressives should hold their fire a bit. All day it’s all about trump being insane with a lot of age veiled language also. I want a progressive , but I mean, we are watching a president mentally come apart who is 72, and we have Bernie who’d be 79 entering, Biden 78, and Trump might literally bring out a tomahawk on a live debate and smash warren in the head and still get 375 electoral votes. It’s not as if AOC can run yet.

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    Progressive YouTubers are not happy with Beto entering the race as they see him as someone the establishment Dems could get behind to keep Bernie Sanders from getting the nomination if Biden falters, and at least one has floated the kotion that his 1st day fundraising haul was rigged.

    so mumbles where u at with this, are u all in for beto already, who is ur dream prez candidate for 2020? im trying to figure out if arguing with u for beto v trump is my worst nightmare
    I strongly prefer that Sanders wins the nomination, and believe that he would beat Trump in the general election. My second choice, though, is Beto because I think he also would beat Trump, something I’m not sure the rest of the bigger names in the Dem field would do.

     
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    I actually hope this [second impeachment] succeeds, because I want Trump put down politically like a sick, 14-year-old dog. ... I don't want him complicating the 2024 primary season. I just want him done.
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    Were Republicans cowardly or unethical not to go along with [convicting Trump in the second impeachment Senate trial]? No. The smart move was to reject it.

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    Seriously tho, PJ O'ROURKE is a better candidate....
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    There was a 30ish white chick who tried to hammer him on that late term NY abortion ruling, so Druff was correct that it’s problmatic for these Dems. He said beto blew her off pretty smoothly and said that’s a woman’s choice basically. Dude at the bar started yelling at her to stfu and she had her camera phone out yelling so everyone is ok with that? You’re all ok with killing babies? That will probably be on YouTube later. What a fucking stupid idea NY did doing that shit preemptively. Even if you saw the SC heading that way, you can act then and the law was ghoulish and now everyone is going to get hammered with it for the next 18 months.
    Democrats turned what was a moderate strength ("OMG OMG OMG, Republicans gonna reverse Roe v. Wade if they come into too much power!") to a big weakness (kill a developed baby at 24+ weeks legally.)

    It's like they got together and said, "Let's do all we can to be viewed as baby killers, as the pro-lifers have accused us of being for the past 4 decades."

    Democrats keep beating themselves with this silly race to show who is the most progressive.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
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    There was a 30ish white chick who tried to hammer him on that late term NY abortion ruling, so Druff was correct that it’s problmatic for these Dems. He said beto blew her off pretty smoothly and said that’s a woman’s choice basically. Dude at the bar started yelling at her to stfu and she had her camera phone out yelling so everyone is ok with that? You’re all ok with killing babies? That will probably be on YouTube later. What a fucking stupid idea NY did doing that shit preemptively. Even if you saw the SC heading that way, you can act then and the law was ghoulish and now everyone is going to get hammered with it for the next 18 months.
    Democrats turned what was a moderate strength ("OMG OMG OMG, Republicans gonna reverse Roe v. Wade if they come into too much power!") to a big weakness (kill a developed baby at 24+ weeks legally.)

    It's like they got together and said, "Let's do all we can to be viewed as baby killers, as the pro-lifers have accused us of being for the past 4 decades."

    Democrats keep beating themselves with this silly race to show who is the most progressive.
    it's actually amazing that democrats can be this inept that they did this to themselves, and scary that the people running for president think they need to go this route to win the nomination.

    we are all so fucked as a species.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by MumblesBadly View Post
    Progressive YouTubers are not happy with Beto entering the race as they see him as someone the establishment Dems could get behind to keep Bernie Sanders from getting the nomination if Biden falters, and at least one has floated the kotion that his 1st day fundraising haul was rigged.

    Yep several of my friends who aspire to be card carrying members of the DSA have already been screaming about this.. Wonder what theyre gonna do when the story about Finland explodes that their government is rapidly having trouble (Bernie loves to espouse Finland and Sweden as his Socialist Utopias).. https://legalinsurrection.com/2019/0...0-hardest-hit/

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    Quote Originally Posted by PuppyMonkeyBaby View Post
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    Progressive YouTubers are not happy with Beto entering the race as they see him as someone the establishment Dems could get behind to keep Bernie Sanders from getting the nomination if Biden falters, and at least one has floated the kotion that his 1st day fundraising haul was rigged.

    Yep several of my friends who aspire to be card carrying members of the DSA have already been screaming about this.. Wonder what theyre gonna do when the story about Finland explodes that their government is rapidly having trouble (Bernie loves to espouse Finland and Sweden as his Socialist Utopias).. https://legalinsurrection.com/2019/0...0-hardest-hit/
    Not a whole lot to explode. You might at some point start to stop believing "news" sources that constantly lie to you.

    Nothing collapsed. They "resigned" month before election. They continue as a functioning government in the mean time. They take care of all the day to day stuff but cease to try to follow any political programs.

    The reason for this resignation is a failure to reform social security. They rather take the bad press now than closer to election. This has no other practical consequences. Literally nothing happens this late in the cycle, like never.

    Oh and this particular government was a coalition of right and centrist parties. No shade to left since none of it was involved. Here government consist of majority of representatives. This time it was 104 out of total 200. It's nearly always a coalition since it's very rare for any political party to get 51% of the seats.

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    shoutout to finland today for being crowned back to back world happiest country
    also shoutout to america for coming 61st place for freedom and 42nd place for corruption




     
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    Progressive YouTuber Kyle Kulinski is attacking Beto over his semi-stance re Medicare-for-All.



    Instead of dismantling *all* private health insurance and replacing it with Medicare-for-All, O’Rourke is calling for Medicare to be a “public option”, as well as expanding Medicaid with the goal of providing universal coverage. This compromise approach is dismissed by progressives like Kulinski, as they see it as a corportist concession that maintains the hugely profitable-and-predatory private insurance industry.
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    Everyone's just gonna let the child killing fantasies slide huh........typical.......

     
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    Beto has the hairy armpit feminists and trump and his cultists like mjl and dish all shook. Hmm...maybe the cuck is onto something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rum dick View Post
    Beto has the hairy armpit feminists and trump and his cultists like mjl and dish all shook. Hmm...maybe the cuck is onto something.

    He's the perfect white Obama. He stands for absolutely nothing but does so with grace and charm.

     
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    Rum dick knows his cucks.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
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    Beto has the hairy armpit feminists and trump and his cultists like mjl and dish all shook. Hmm...maybe the cuck is onto something.

    He's the perfect white Obama. He stands for absolutely nothing but does so with grace and charm.
    Not entirely fair, but his “unity” approach and laying out a compromise position on healthcare reform helps him to prevent the GOP from pidgeon-holing him as an “extremist” if he wins the Dem nod.

    Also, what isn’t yet getting much press is how he worked massively while in Congress to improve veterans care, including collecting and making public data on the VA’s perfoemance that thoroughly embarassed the Obama administration. And that record would likely cut into veterans’ support of Trump much more so than other Dem candidates would likely achieve in the GE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MumblesBadly View Post
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    He's the perfect white Obama. He stands for absolutely nothing but does so with grace and charm.
    Not entirely fair, but his “unity” approach and laying out a compromise position on healthcare reform helps him to prevent the GOP from pidgeon-holing him as an “extremist” if he wins the Dem nod.

    Also, what isn’t yet getting much press is how he worked massively while in Congress to improve veterans care, including collecting and making public data on the VA’s perfoemance that thoroughly embarassed the Obama administration. And that record would likely cut into veterans’ support of Trump much more so than other Dem candidates would likely achieve in the GE.

    The way he is dealing with this, imo, is political malpractice. Getting that question from the girl in the video, getting that guy on the Young Turks going after him is just full of so much triangulation opportunity and he’s not taking advantage of it, and instead appearing indecisive when he should literally be paying those people to go after him in that way.


    My gut is he *probably* is for universal health care. He is *probably* fairly progressive. He just feels so polished he’s coming off poorly. Like the video you posted above where the girl asks him about bundlers, or on questions about his health plan, he has the proper temperament, but you need to answer the question.

    He needs to listen to that girl or that YouTuber respectfully, and then say something along the lines of,”

    “Listen, I know it’s unpopular at the moment to be a pragmatist, but I’d rather be a pragmatist who accomplishes something for my constituents rather than say what you want to hear and accomplish nothing. I keep getting these questions where I feel you’re describing my positions as platitudes. Let’s face it. You’re asking me if I’m the new young guy pumping you full of civility and sunshine and then asking me why I won’t promise you the world and pump you full of sunshine on issues near and dear to all of us in the Democratic Party.

    President Trump ran on repeal and replace and despite owning both the senate and house, accomplished nothing when faced with the reality your opposition gets to vote also. My own preference is for universal healthcare, and I’d love to pump you full of sunshine and tell you I can deliver that, or free tuition, or a minimum wage that allows for no one who works full time to experience poverty the minute I take office. Those things are all certainly my goals. Given who our current president is, neither you or I have have the luxury of pure idealism at the moment.

    If elected and I see an avenue to where I think we can get to universal health care in the short term, I’ll seize the opportunity. If my choice is to get nothing accomplished or push the ball forward, I’ll push the ball forward. I’m sorry if you see pragmatism as a platitude, but I can tell you as a legislator, it’s how the sausage is made in Washington. I wish it wasn’t the truth but it is. I’m not championing incrementalism, but rather acknowledging it’s better than accomplishing nothing. There is very little daylight between what I want and what my fellow democratic challengers want. We all want to win the same war. I’m just here to tell you if I need to fight the battles that lead to winning the war, that’s what I’ll do.

    Our current president thought he’d won the war on election night. He didn’t. Winning the presidency is merely a battle. Myself and my opponents in this primary all want the same things. We all see victory the same. If I see an opportunity to win the war, I’ll certainly take it, but I’m willing to fight the battles necessary along the way.

    I appreciate your question, but in your question lies the implication that you’d prefer me to take a harder line and carve out a policy position that no one can promise you. That you think I’m taking the easy way out or being evasive I’m currently running to win the democratic primary. I would posit that telling you I’ll deliver everything we both want is the easy way out.

    I have been asked about bundlers and Mr Susman multiple times now, and the implication of the question makes me uncomfortable. Not uncomfortable because I’m afraid of the reality of the situation or my decisions. Uncomfortable because it resembles the boogeyman tactics and accusations the right have made about George Soros. At a time when we rightly criticize the president for demonizing Mr Soros and stoking hatred, when we’re angry that the president is abandoning long time allies of ours internationally who share similar goals and aspirations for the world, I’m uncomfortable that I’m seeing some supporters on the left resort to demonizing long time political allies and financial supporters of the Democratic Party who have worked tirelessly to further our collective progress.

    I’ve gotten many questions that imply I should somehow distance myself from the Obama administration. I have no desire to distance myself from President Obama. While he’ll be the first to tell you he didn’t get everything accomplished that he hoped to, I can tell you I’m glad to be standing here talking to you about expanding upon Obamacare rather than talking to you about trying to reimplement it, and it’s a testament to President Obama that he got a health care policy passed that had widespread support in the reddest of states, such that it withstood a full Republican majority. That’s quite an accomplishment, certainly nothing I wish to distance myself from. It’s something I look to build upon. “

    That can be worded much better, but he’s not going to outleft Bernie, and if he did, he’d have almost no chance in the general. He’s not going to outblack Harris or Booker, but once they’re no longer viable, being the choice of Barrack and Michelle Obama over two other white guys, one of whom was Obama’s Vice-President isn’t a bad place to be. He’s going to need to rally the scraps and build it into a coalition and try to reclaim voters in the Midwest who voted Obama/Trump. He needs to needs progressives to know he wants the same things, is willing to work hard to achieve those goals, but he isn’t going to dance for them. Paint Bernie’s rhetoric as the guy who is attempting to pump sunshine up your ass, respectfully. He might be the young guy preaching civility, he’s also being the realist willing to tell you the truth rather than promise the world. He needs to be framed as the young energetic guy with the energy to get in the trenches and forward those issues.

    This isn’t 1992. He’s not going to dance between the raindrops and be Bill Clinton. Media is too pervasive. Progressives are pissed and going to keep firing the same questions at him. He needs to embrace the only lane he’s had since the start. He needs to appear stronger. He need to quit apologizing for shit, and just present a message where he’s for all the same things Bernie and other progressives are for, but a young pragmatist and idealist rolled into one. That beating Trump is too important to simply cater to millennials in urban areas. They were never going to love him anyway.

    You need to start backing them off. They ask him about Susman, you tell them that makes you uncomfortable like republicans going after Soros. The anti-semitism of that is self-evident and their SJW minds aren’t going to want that comparison. When they bring up Obama, you spin yourself as a fan who looks to build upon what he accomplished, always show respect, and once again, the SJWs aren’t going to be thrilled being seen as continually going after the only black presidents choice. This tactic also helps once the African American candidates burn out. You appear reasonable to indelendants.

    Whenever banged by the more progressive elements, you remain civil. You find common ground that you both want. You stress how you share the same ideals and praise their ideas. You can’t be thin-skinned. You want an inclusive party. America does crave civility, and he does that well, but he’s trying to win the democratic primary like a general election candidate. Post Hilary-Bernie fiasco, the electorate isn’t going to default to the safe choice just because you’re safe. You need to basically co-opt 80% of Bernie’s ideas, while being the default electable guy if Bernie stumbles. Progressive, but reasonable. A fighter who is civil and wants to unify but also stands for similar positions. He can’t continue to be non-committal and hope to not be defined. He’s being defined every day. He needs to embrace it, and realize that was his only lane since day one and there is no use apologizing for it. He’s going to be the white Obama and there isn’t anything he can do about it. Embrace the benefits of that, while becoming a more progressive version of Obama. Be the straight shooter rather than the indecisive guy.

     
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