PokerFraudAlert Report: Lock Poker -- AVOID

[Towerflower]

Skrill

Many customers opened a Skrill account, deposited money and used their service, based on the terms and conditions which state:

11.2 It is strictly forbidden to make payments to or to receive payments from persons or entities offering illegal gambling services(added by me: ponzi scheme, house bots), including (but not limited to) illegal sports betting, casino games and poker games. We may suspend or terminate your Skrill Account at any time or refuse to execute [b]or reverse a transaction[b] if we believe that you directly or indirectly use or have used your Skrill Account for or in connection with illegal gambling transactions.

11.4 It is strictly forbidden to use your Skrill Account for any illegal purposes(added by me: ponzi scheme, house bots) including but not limited to fraud and money laundering. We will report any suspicious activity to the relevant law enforcement agency. You are prohibited from using your Skrill Account in an attempt to abuse, exploit or circumvent the usage restrictions imposed by a merchant on the services it provides.

11.6 If you conduct or attempt to conduct any transaction in violation of the prohibitions contained in this section 11 or without the necessary approval under section 11.5, we reserve the right to: reverse the transaction; and/or close or suspend your Skrill Account; and/or report the transaction to the relevant law enforcement agency; and/or claim damages from you; and charge you an administration fee of up to 150 EUR in case we apply any of the above.

If Skrill would state in the legally binding agreement that

- It is allowed to make payments to or to receive payments from persons or entities offering illegal gambling services(ponzi scheme, house bots, etc.), including (but not limited to) illegal sports betting, casino games and poker games. We will not suspend or terminate your Skrill Account or reverse a transaction if we believe that you directly or indirectly use or have used your Skrill Account for or in connection with illegal gambling transactions and we will not claim damages from you.

- It is allowed to use your Skrill Account for any illegal purposes(ponzi scheme, house bots, etc.) including but not limited to fraud and money laundering. We will not report any suspicious activity to the relevant law enforcement agency. You are allowed to use your Skrill Account in an attempt to abuse, exploit or circumvent the usage restrictions imposed by a merchant on the services it provides.

I and I am sure many others of you will and would have not used their service! Would you?


What Skrill is doing here is not only a willful deception to constantly attract new victims, but it is also the criminal offense of participation and money transfer to illegal operations. They do this habitually and intentionally and if you ask them to reverse transactions to illegal gambling operations like Lock, Revolution Network WinCake/Pure, Muchos, Equity Network, Merge Network Carbon/Sportsbook/PlayersOnly, etc. and report them to the relevant law enforcement agency, they simply do not respond like nothing ever happened(lol). And this confirms that they exactly know what they are doing and try to sweep it under the carpet. If they were honest, they would take complaints serious.


In the case of Lock Poker, they did not allow deposits anymore at a certain point, but much too late and therefore they should be liable for the damage accrued since the time they must know that Lock was a ponzi scheme. They should be anyway liable for all damages suffered in relation to all illegal gambling operations, as they intentionally and habitually breach the terms and conditions seriously to the financial disadvantage of private customers and for the financial advantage of the illegal merchants and therefore finally for their own financial benefit, as they charge percentages from and to merchant accounts.

Lock Poker's terms and conditions stated:

"Cash outs. Except as otherwise required by each deposit method or our security team, you may request to cash out and withdraw any or all of your Account Balance at any time and there is no requirement to play the Games in order for you to make such request."

And if Lock habitually do not fulfill this paragraph, then of course the criminal offense of misappropriation and cheating is fulfilled.

-> If you take a look at the Lock Poker payout scam thread, you can see that customers habitually started to wait more than 1 month for their withdrawal request in 2013, while Skrill restricted Lock's account to withdrawals only, I think in 2014. Can you see the gap?


Skrill has lawyers in their legal department in London and they can very well assess what was and what is going on with the poker sites. They can see all the transactions of a merchant account and to which (bank)accounts the Skrill deposits were misappropriated. Did they ever report an illegal gambling operation(ponzi scheme, house bots, etc.) to the relevant law enforcement agency like stated in the terms and conditions? I am not aware of any. But they have all the data of the people behind the shell company and instead of fulfilling the legally binding agreement, victims like me have to spend their time and money on top of the damage already happened.


If victims have interest to demand indemnification from Skrill and with an unlike lower chance from Neteller, I am wiling to start a separate thread were we can collect all the data in relation to all the illegal gambling operations like Lock, WinCake/Pure, Muchos, Equity, Carbon/Sportsbook/PlayersOnly, etc.

In any case, I recommend to do the following for the record. Send a registered letter to:

Skrill Legal Department

Floor 27, 25 Canada Square

E145 LQ London, United Kingdom

Inform them that merchant account XY(look in your Skrill transaction history for the name) is an illegal gambling operation as they have misappropriated player funds and add the link of the relevant payout thread on 2+2:

Lock Poker

WinCake Poker

Pure Poker

Muchos Poker

Equity Poker Network

Carbon/Sportsbook/PlayersOnly

1) Ask them to reverse the deposits you made to(look in your Skrill transaction history for the name), based on:

Terms and conditions

11.2 It is strictly forbidden to make payments to or to receive payments from persons or entities offering illegal gambling services, including (but not limited to) illegal sports betting, casino games and poker games. We may suspend or terminate your Skrill Account at any time or refuse to execute or reverse a transaction if we believe that you directly or indirectly use or have used your Skrill Account for or in connection with illegal gambling transactions.

11.6 If you conduct or attempt to conduct any transaction in violation of the prohibitions contained in this section 11 or without the necessary approval under section 11.5, we reserve the right to: reverse the transaction; and/or close or suspend your Skrill Account; and/or report the transaction to the relevant law enforcement agency; and/or claim damages from you; and charge you an administration fee of up to 150 EUR in case we apply any of the above.

2) Demand from them to report company XY to the relevant law enforcement agency, based on:

11.4 It is strictly forbidden to use your Skrill Account for any illegal purposes including but not limited to fraud and money laundering. We will report any suspicious activity to the relevant law enforcement agency. You are prohibited from using your Skrill Account in an attempt to abuse, exploit or circumvent the usage restrictions imposed by a merchant on the services it provides.

11.6 ...we reserve the right to: report the transaction to the relevant law enforcement agency...

3) Inform them that you are also willing to join an upcoming class action with hundreds of other victims and demand indemnification from Skrill Ltd. for the damage you have suffered because they habitually and intentionally do not fulfil the legally binding agreement and process money transfers to illegal gambling operators and do not report them to the relevant law enforcement agency.

4) Post here when you receive a response

Thank you!


I can organize a class action against Skrill Ltd. and demand indemnification for us, but this will cost money and I will not pay your part of the total costs if you want to join. The "by itself" believer group can of course wait until a possible judgement in London and then refer to this if it is in the favor of the victims. But if it will come to an agreement with Skrill without a court decision, then those who did not join gets nothing.

[Towerflower]

If you sent me some of the court documents (so I can verify that this case does indeed exist), and were willing to identify yourself publicly, I'd be happy to report on it at FlushDraw. I don't know how successful you'll be though I'm certainly on the side of you and all other Lock victims. PM me if interested and I'll send you an address you can forward any relative court docs and info to.

-- Haley

[haleylh]

If you sent me some of the court documents (so I can verify that this case does indeed exist), and were willing to identify yourself publicly, I'd be happy to report on it at FlushDraw. I don't know how successful you'll be though I'm certainly on the side of you and all other Lock victims. PM me if interested and I'll send you an address you can forward any relative court docs and info to.

-- Haley

Noted. I've been neck-deep in the Kentucky v PokerStars situation and will be for another day or so. However, when I translate and verify this, I think that when it's combined with your publicized settlement demands it's a newsworthy piece. Two caveats with that, however:

1) I think it's newsworthy despite my not necessarily agreeing 100% with your tactics. I do, however, understand your plight as a victim of Lock and agree 100% with your legal rights to seek recompense however you see fit. That said, I am not a lawyer, and I can make no representation as to whether what you're attempting against each and all of the former Lock people is legal or not. To the extent that they all contributed willfully to the ongoing scam, I get it, and in most cases there appears to be plenty of proof of that; and if so, then yes, you're likely on solid ground. But again, IANAL, and what I -think- may or not turn out to be right.

2) I'm also obligated in a writerly sense to try to figure out your identity as well. That blade always cuts both ways.

My best to you. I've always wondered why people in the US didn't go after a certain US-based weak spot in attempting to ascertain more info about Lock's operations. I never played on Lock, FWIW, so I would have had no standing to sue in an attempt to uncover that info anyway.

[BeerAndPoker]

Message to the participants of the illegal operation Lock Poker: Brendon Young, Liezl Tengco, Shane Bridges, Gerard Poltorak, Eric Lynch, Bryce Geoffrey, Jim Erwood, Melanie Weisner, Anette Obrestad.

participant = continued to advertise or work for Lock, while it was clear that player funds are misappropriated = ponzi scheme

I have an amicable solution for you(except Larson, as legal action already has started):

Lock Poker owe me $127,000 and I have screenshots and email conversation with Geoffrey to prove this.

$127,000 divided with 10(including Larson) = $12,700 per participant.

You have the possibility to give me this amount in Bitcoins until 28th January 2016 and the case is finished for you. I am the only one with sufficient proof/info who is going after you and if I stop doing this, you are out. So it is up to you how you wish to proceed.

After 28th January 2016, I will initiate legal action against those who are not willing to take my amicable offer. I will be then also so kindly to publicise all the info(address, etc.) I have and will get about you, so other victims can demand their money directly from you and based on the civil laws of the relevant jurisdictions for the next up to 30 years at any time.

I also know that most of you did not declare your income properly and you might be then also held accountable for the criminal offence of tax evasion.

I wish people luck who are going after the company fighting for all those who lost but your tactics of saying "Pay me and I will go away with all the info nobody else has" is completely selfish.

What if someone else had all of this info that you don't and they attempted this form of getting paid while you sit back thinking "hey, what about me and the rest of the players owed" ?

It will be nice to see all of whatever assets Jen Larson & Company have left (if any) frozen then returned to players accordingly at some point but the longer this goes on it's not going to be good.

A settlement would most likely have to be some pro-rated type of thing (company owes x amount to players and you have y % of that which they have a less amount z to pay people) so you get paid accordingly.

We know Lock don't have much, if anything at all left but whatever can be acquired should go back to players. Jen Larson belongs in a jail cell for this fraud but she likely won't see any time at all.

I wouldn't be surprised if this company wiped all backups on their server so nobody can prove what they owe people. Hopefully people took screen shots while they could as potential evidence because someone walking into a 2+2 forum saying I am owed $10k or whatever amount isn't legitimate proof.

[haleylh]

I'm still working on translating that good ol' chicken scratchin' in the above, but it appears to be a court-ordered command to Jen Larson to appear based on the assertion that she's living in a villa in Tuscany. Both the court document and the address of the villa appear to be legit, even if I haven't located any sort of docket entry yet online that matches it.

The doc isn't proof that Larson and her partner are or were actually living there, but if you want to see what the place looks like, there's a nice slide show of the property (as it was in 2010) at this TripAdvisor link:

https://www.tripadvisor.it/LocationP...a_Tuscany.html

Pretty and upscale, but Lederer's Vegas mansion it ain't.

[Towerflower]

...The doc isn't proof that Larson and her partner are or were actually living there,...

But the doc is proof that Larson lived there! This is her last known address in Italy and the court do not put an address on a doc if someone never lived there. The police can check this with ease and If Larson would have not lived there, the public prosecutor would have not accepted the criminal lawsuit.

[haleylh]

...The doc isn't proof that Larson and her partner are or were actually living there,...

But the doc is proof that Larson lived there! This is her last known address in Italy and the court do not put an address on a doc if someone never lived there. The police can check this with ease and If Larson would have not lived there, the public prosecutor would have not accepted the criminal lawsuit.

That may be in the part that I haven't deciphered and translated yet. The problem I'm having is not only figuring out what the handwritten entries say, but who did the handwriting. Whatever clerk filled it out missed his greater calling as a doctor's aide filling out prescription orders.

I also haven't figured out which line specifies that it's a criminal proceeding, though it could very well be. i just need to figure it all out.

[Towerflower]

That may be in the part that I haven't deciphered and translated yet.

No, it is not in the part that you haven't deciphered and translated yet. You had found that San Quirico d'Orcia, Strada Vicinale del Salcio, Podere Il Salcio is an address, otherwise you would have not posted the link about it. And above that address stands Jennifer Larson. You claimed something what you don't know and which moreover is also wrong.

The problem I'm having is not only figuring out what the handwritten entries say, but who did the handwriting.

Why is it so important who did the handwriting? Do you want to contact this person and ask what he wrote?

handwritten part:

LARSON JENNIFER, n.= nato(= born) VANCUVER

residente San Quirico d'Orcia, Strada Vicinale del

Salcio, Podere Il Salcio

Difese(= defense) Uffino(?) Dalli(?) AVV.= avvocato(= lawyer) AMA(?) GUERRIM(?) = name

below:

difese(= defense) de Avv.= avvocato Giorgio Masina(= my lawyer), faso(?) Siena(= city)

[FRANKRIZZO]

Do they have freedom of information act type law in Italy where someone can request last known address?

[Towerflower]

All the relevant data has to be stored for up to ten years within the EU and the police/court has access to this data if sufficient initial suspicion of a crime exist. Skrill e.g. is based in the United Kingdom = EU and has to store all the transactions for 5 years and banks for 10 years.

[Towerflower]

I wish people luck who are going after the company fighting for all those who lost but your tactics of saying "Pay me and I will go away with all the info nobody else has" is completely selfish.

I expect costs of minimum $10,000 in average to initiate legal action against one accomplice. Therefore it makes sense to offer an amicable solution = give me what is owed in advance.

What if someone else had all of this info that you don't and they attempted this form of getting paid while you sit back thinking "hey, what about me and the rest of the players owed" ?

It is selfish to let others do the work and pay the price and if they are successful to think "hey, what about me and the rest of the players owed". -> I would never think this way. If I have contributed nothing, then I have no claim.

If someone care about what is owed, he has to contribute money, I explained this already in September 2014. If other victims want to join my upcoming actions, they have to put $10,000 per participant on the table in advance. If someone know a way to get what is owed without spending any money, then I wish him all the best.

It will be nice to see all of whatever assets Jen Larson & Company have left (if any) frozen then returned to players accordingly at some point but the longer this goes on it's not going to be good.

A settlement would most likely have to be some pro-rated type of thing (company owes x amount to players and you have y % of that which they have a less amount z to pay people) so you get paid accordingly.

We know Lock don't have much, if anything at all left but whatever can be acquired should go back to players. Jen Larson belongs in a jail cell for this fraud but she likely won't see any time at all.

This is a nice Christmas story, but unfortunately did the litigator not find any assets of Stacktrace N.V. in Curacao. Therefore Santa Claus will not bring amount z tomorrow.

I wouldn't be surprised if this company wiped all backups on their server so nobody can prove what they owe people. Hopefully people took screen shots while they could as potential evidence because someone walking into a 2+2 forum saying I am owed $10k or whatever amount isn't legitimate proof.

I inform since September 2014 that a screenshot of what is owed is important for legal action an if someone has no interest, then it is up to him. It could be also helpful to keep email conversations with Liezl Tengco(Lock Poker support) stored. Those who missed to make a screenshot of the balance, have still the possibility to make screenshots of the transaction history of the deposit method(s) used. This will not cover winnings, but is at least better than nothing.

Those who refuse to follow rules shall feel the consequences!

[Towerflower]

But the doc is proof that Larson lived there! This is her last known address in Italy and the court do not put an address on a doc if someone never lived there. The police can check this with ease and If Larson would have not lived there, the public prosecutor would have not accepted the criminal lawsuit.

I also haven't figured out which line specifies that it's a criminal proceeding, though it could very well be. i just need to figure it all out.

If you can not even translate two phrases let alone two words:

"Letta la richiesta di archiviazione avanzata dal pubblico ministero(= public prosecutor) e opposizione presentata dalla persona offesa"

-> always when the word public prosecutor is mentioned = criminal proceeding

[haleylh]

I also haven't figured out which line specifies that it's a criminal proceeding, though it could very well be. i just need to figure it all out.

If you can not even translate two phrases let alone two words:

"Letta la richiesta di archiviazione avanzata dal pubblico ministero(= public prosecutor) e opposizione presentata dalla persona offesa"

-> always when the word public prosecutor is mentioned = criminal proceeding

Yeah, I can live without writing about this story. Heavy attitude from someone still not revealing his identity equals a story I won't touch.

[Towerflower]

Yeah, I can live without writing about this story. Heavy attitude from someone still not revealing his identity equals a story I won't touch.

1) Where my identity plays a role(lawyers, polices, courts), it is well known. With you, my identity certainly doesn't matter.

2) You want something from me, not I from you

3) Entrance exam failed

4) To put my information and my person in question is exactly the way how professional, investigative journalists get information. LOL

5) Search simply someone else to highlight your importance

6) Anyone who has doubts about one of my information can bet $10,000 against it, send it to a trustee and after that I will send the documents confirming that information to Dan Druff.

[BeerAndPoker]

What if someone else had all of this info that you don't and they attempted this form of getting paid while you sit back thinking "hey, what about me and the rest of the players owed" ?

It is selfish to let others do the work and pay the price and if they are successful to think "hey, what about me and the rest of the players owed". -> I would never think this way. If I have contributed nothing, then I have no claim.

I expect costs of minimum $10,000 in average to initiate legal action against one accomplice. Therefore it makes sense to offer an amicable solution = give me what is owed in advance.

If someone care about what is owed, he has to contribute money, I explained this already in September 2014. If other victims want to join my upcoming actions, they have to put $10,000 per participant on the table in advance. If someone know a way to get what is owed without spending any money, then I wish him all the best.

It's a horrible situation is what we can all agree on but what you are basically saying is if you don't have at least $10k+ on the site which is going to be a majority of the players then you can go kick rocks in regards to getting your money back with the way you are trying to do things.

As I said I wish you luck in getting anything back but I'm not a fan of your tactics because lets just say some people actually get paid from this a majority don't. This means Lock gets away without paying a majority of money owed which isn't right but where I feel for you and any others that might put up the money for this way of getting back is that it shouldn't be on you all to have to do so.

FYI I don't have a dollar on Lock and never played on the network at all but it just is a subject I am interested in hoping things can be made right, which they likely won't ever be.

[haleylh]

Yeah, I can live without writing about this story. Heavy attitude from someone still not revealing his identity equals a story I won't touch.

1) Where my identity plays a role(lawyers, polices, courts), it is well known. With you, my identity certainly doesn't matter.

2) You want something from me, not I from you

3) Entrance exam failed

4) To put my information and my person in question is exactly the way how professional, investigative journalists get information. LOL

5) Search simply someone else to highlight your importance

6) Anyone who has doubts about one of my information can bet $10,000 against it, send it to a trustee and after that I will send the documents confirming that information to Dan Druff.

1) No self-respecting outlet will touch this without more info. Maybe you should try G911.

2) You'd love publicity for the additional pressure it would put on your targets, so don't pretend otherwise. Fortunately, it's pretty easy to see through this one.

3) LOL. Glad to know I was applying for something.

4) Yeah, pretty much they do. It's how writers separate the legitimate stories from the nutcases and the manipulators, and the libelists.

5) LOL what?

6) LOL betting on this. Why would I care one way or the other? If this is indeed a criminal case, then a check of "Jennifer Larson" of Italian-language sites will eventually show it. You're actually the one that's not needed at that point. So what's next, a HEADZUP4ROLLS challenge?

[Hockey Guy]

1) Where my identity plays a role(lawyers, polices, courts), it is well known. With you, my identity certainly doesn't matter.

2) You want something from me, not I from you

3) Entrance exam failed

4) To put my information and my person in question is exactly the way how professional, investigative journalists get information. LOL

5) Search simply someone else to highlight your importance

6) Anyone who has doubts about one of my information can bet $10,000 against it, send it to a trustee and after that I will send the documents confirming that information to Dan Druff.

1) No self-respecting outlet will touch this without more info. Maybe you should try G911.

2) You'd love publicity for the additional pressure it would put on your targets, so don't pretend otherwise. Fortunately, it's pretty easy to see through this one.

3) LOL. Glad to know I was applying for something.

4) Yeah, pretty much they do. It's how writers separate the legitimate stories from the nutcases and the manipulators, and the libelists.

5) LOL what?

6) LOL betting on this. Why would I care one way or the other? If this is indeed a criminal case, then a check of "Jennifer Larson" of Italian-language sites will eventually show it. You're actually the one that's not needed at that point. So what's next, a HEADZUP4ROLLS challenge?

Don't waste your time haley. I said from the moment he showed up here that he was full of shit.

He comes on this site looking for help(& financing) to get this going & when the 1 person that could possibly help in some way, you, comes along he treats you like you're a criminal or something. Let's face facts, absolutely nobody from this site had any substantial amount of money on Lock(for the obvious reason that we all knew WTF was going on, as evidenced by the start date of this fucking thread) let alone, LOL, 127K. Again, LOL, 127K.

For all we know this guy might have been buying Lock funds from anybody for 10 cents on the dollar & he's now stuck. He sounds like a butthurt fuckhead.

[Towerflower]

1) No self-respecting outlet will touch this without more info. Maybe you should try G911.

2) You'd love publicity for the additional pressure it would put on your targets, so don't pretend otherwise. Fortunately, it's pretty easy to see through this one.

3) LOL. Glad to know I was applying for something.

4) Yeah, pretty much they do. It's how writers separate the legitimate stories from the nutcases and the manipulators, and the libelists.

5) LOL what?

6) LOL betting on this. Why would I care one way or the other? If this is indeed a criminal case, then a check of "Jennifer Larson" of Italian-language sites will eventually show it. You're actually the one that's not needed at that point. So what's next, a HEADZUP4ROLLS challenge?

1) I prefer offers from "no self-respecting" outlets:

Hey boss, I was wondering if you had any time if you could write up a piece about your Lock Poker lawsuit and how things are progressing? I wanted to post it on .... and spread the word out as much as possible and help in some small way if that's something that can be done. Lemme know!

-> sounds a little bit different compared to your attacking attempt


2) Correct. All participants would have started to tremble after your story and would have beg to be allowed to replace my loss. LMAO


3)

If you sent me some of the court documents (so I can verify that this case does indeed exist), and were willing to identify yourself publicly, I'd be happy to report on it at FlushDraw. I don't know how successful you'll be though I'm certainly on the side of you and all other Lock victims. DM me if interested and I'll send you an address you can forward any relative court docs and info to.

-- Haley

6 a) "Why would I care one way or the other?"

Because writers try to separate the legitimate stories from the nutcases and the manipulators, and the libelists.

6 b) "If this is indeed a criminal case,"

Still not realised it is one?

6 c) "then a check of "Jennifer Larson" of Italian-language sites will eventually show it."

Correct. Italian-language sites list the court schedule. Why did you not check already?

6 d) "You're actually the one that's not needed at that point."

[x] confirmed

[ ] not confirmed

[Towerflower]

2 a) You'd love publicity for the additional pressure it would put on your targets, so don't pretend otherwise.

That I have not perceived this offer

Hey boss, I was wondering if you had any time if you could write up a piece about your Lock Poker lawsuit and how things are progressing? I wanted to post it on .... and spread the word out as much as possible and help in some small way if that's something that can be done. Lemme know!

until now, refutes your false claim I had love publicity!

2 b) Fortunately, it's pretty easy to see through this one.

A new glasses might not be bad.

[Hockey Guy]

Towerflower is a fuckin' dumbass

[x] confirmed
[ ] unconfirmed