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    Bye bye Bovada poker?

    Hey Daly,

    We have important news we want to share with you. Bovada Poker has been acquired by Ignition Casino. This means you’ll be required to transfer your account by September 30, 2016. After this date, poker at Bovada will no longer be available. You’ll still have access to Bovada’s sportsbook, casino and racebook products.

    Ignition Casino uses the same platform as Bovada, so the features you enjoy such as anonymous tables, Zone poker, mobile poker and guaranteed tournaments, like the weekly $100K, will be there waiting for you. Both sites will also operate simultaneously with shared player pools until the transition is complete. Any Poker Points that you have accrued on Bovada will need to be used before September 30 as they will not carry over to Ignition Casino.

    We’ll do everything we can to make this transition as easy as possible. Please be sure to visit our FAQ page where you’ll find information on account transfers, how to score your generous migration bonus, what to do with your Poker Points and any other questions you may have.

    We're confident in Ignition Casino's ability to provide you with the same level of service and security you're used to at Bovada. To find out more, check out their website today.

     
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    Is this a prelude to sports betting getting the ok in the US?

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    i guess it's time to cash out.


    fuckin aye. just when I was having fun playing online again...
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    i just checked my email and I don't see anything from them saying this. no emails at all actually.
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    Here's the website press release:

    http://www.bovadapoker.com/articles/...ampaign=buffer

    Looks like they tapped. Also key point:

    Any Poker Points that you have accrued on Bovada will need to be used before September 30 as they will not carry over to Ignition Casino.
    Migration FAQ:

    https://www.bovada.lv/poker-account-...mp-landing-faq
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    What is the next best/secure place to play online poker? Stars?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookygook View Post
    Is this a prelude to sports betting getting the ok in the US?
    No.

    I think this has to do more with Quebec passing their internet gaming law, which only allows the state to run gambling skins and sites (espacejeux). The Quebec govt and the The Kahnawake Mohawk Territory have been warring in the legislation over this.

    I wonder if Ignition Casino is another front company for the Bodog brand.



    This will hurt the games, because the whole idea of Bovada was that fish sports bettors could just fire up a game easily all within one account.

     
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    Also this, something to note for Ignition:

    You are entitled to one free withdrawal per month, starting on June 1 and ending on September 30 (a total of 4 free payouts). As of October 1, 2016, you will be eligible for one free withdrawal every four months.

    The following fees will apply after the free payouts have been used:

    Bitcoin: 100% free deposits and withdrawals
    Visa Fast Funds: $75 per withdrawal
    Check by Courier: $75 per withdrawal
    Rapid Transfer: $50 per withdrawal
    (Emphasis added)

    $3,000 max withdrawal
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    Shizz,

    Isn't it kind of unusual to see an orderly transition? Two weeks isn't long but usually these changes involve snap closing and scrambling.

    I give Bovada/Bodog credit here.

    Interesting they didn't use calvinayre.com to control the conversation.

    The recent experiences of our posters now makes a little more sense. However, much of it was on the Sportsbook side.

    Feels like there is more.
    Last edited by Sanlmar; 08-09-2016 at 08:07 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shizzmoney View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Spookygook View Post
    Is this a prelude to sports betting getting the ok in the US?
    No.

    I think this has to do more with Quebec passing their internet gaming law, which only allows the state to run gambling skins and sites (espacejeux). The Quebec govt and the The Kahnawake Mohawk Territory have been warring in the legislation over this.

    I wonder if Ignition Casino is another front company for the Bodog brand.



    This will hurt the games, because the whole idea of Bovada was that fish sports bettors could just fire up a game easily all within one account.

    Yep. Totally sucks. The past few months is the first time I've enjoyed playing in years, and zone and husng are so heavily dependant on the random action junkies. Its not like I can sit with a bunch of 5/10 pros and not bleed money over the long run

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanlmar View Post
    Shizz,

    Isn't it kind of unusual to see an orderly transition? Two weeks isn't long but usually these changes involve snap closing and scrambling.

    I give Bovada/Bodog credit here.
    I think their hand was forced, and yes I do agree that is "more orderly than usual" in terms of how sites usually do these things. But I also think that unlike other poker operators where SHTF quickly due to "unforseen but not really" circumstances (i.e. UIGEA, or an nonperforming skin shutting down)...they had time to prepare for this. The switch seemed to have been unintentionally mentioned nearly three months ago on the Bovada "Ignition Early Bird Freeroll" tournament lobby back in May.

    "Get a ticket to play in one of five Early Bird Freerolls issued the day after transferring your Bovada Poker account to Ignition."

    https://m.reddit.com/r/poker/comment...on_on_july_11/
    Ignition looks like different company from their RNG certificates...it "looks" different, but it's 99.99% likely that Bovada set this company up months, or years ago, for many scenarios like the Quebec gaming law being passed (QC Govt has been trying to crowbar the law since 2010), which I think this is all about if I had to guess (the software has been laggy af the last month too; which maybe another reason).

    Operator: Salmon River Technologies
    Operator URL: www.bovada.lv

    Operator: Lynton Limited
    Operator URL: www.ignitioncasino.eu

    The migration of current players, the transition of cash isn't my worry. That will be just fine.

    It's the future of the most robust player pool for US players now in jeopardy:

    - are bodog players (from the eu, for example..DIFFERENT than bovada) going to be sharing the same player pool with Ignition? One driver of the MTTs and cash games was that donks from France, Brazil, etc could play, which made the games "2006 soft". This "move" make it really look like Bovada is tryign to put all of the US players into one skin...and that's going to suck. Just ask anyone who plays on the nitfest that is ACR.

    - the fact that this eliminates the sportsbook crowd from the player pool is a huge game changer. I have moved up in stakes the past 12 months thanks to NL games from 50NL to 1000NL being so soft, especially on NFL Sundays. That's most likely gone now as the only new signups I can see the site getting are regs/semi-regs who only play poker.

    - what's the withdrawal turn around time going to be like? And Deposits? Will it be better/worse? Only time will tell once the migration is done and people start transacting with the site on a daily basis and we actually get player feedback.

    The pluses I feel will be the software performing better (it can't get any worse) and customer service performing better (actually, it can and will probably get worse, ask Druff). You also get a free $10 when you transfer your account.

    In terms of giving Bodog/Bovada credit, it looks like a good plan of action is taking place, but until this puppy gets up and running, as Mr.Wolf famously said in Pulp Fiction:


     
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    I love the way you are playing right now Shizz.

    That Bovada had a "go bag" packed possibly years ago is a fantastic notion.

    What say ye with regard to calvinayre.com going dark here?

    When was the last time so many nads have been shriveled and retracted at one time?

     
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    Last edited by Sanlmar; 08-09-2016 at 09:56 AM.

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    It just another Ayre shell company like Bovada was, literally nothing changing


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by sah_24 View Post
    It just another Ayre shell company like Bovada was, literally nothing changing

    https://gyazo.com/563f5caf31c1a2c05b88a1b368cfcde0
    True, except for the withdrawal fees/policies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanlmar View Post
    I love the way you are playing right now Shizz.

    That Bovada had a "go bag" packed possibly years ago is a fantastic notion.

    What say ye with regard to calvinayre.com going dark here?
    In this climate, with them serving customers in countries w/o a license in those states or where it's just simply illegal, they'd better have the "go bag"! If they didn't learn anything from Black Friday, it would show stupidity and ignorance on their part, methinks.

    FYI:

    http://www.legitgamblingsites.com/on...inos/ignition/

    Ignition Casino

    Ignition Casino is a recent addition to the fleet of sites owned by the same company that operates Slots.lv, Bodog, and Bovada. These affiliated sites have all developed a strong reputation over the years, with the history of the latter two stretching back to the 1990s. As for Ignition, it’s fully certified and regulated by the Kahnawake Gaming Commission, a leading casino regulatory body located in Canada.
    Ignition is also offered in China, as well as Canada. I think this maybe a move by Bovada of ensuring they can continue to serve customers in Canada with servers outside the QC territory, to "hedge" if you will in case the QC Govt gets gully.

    In terms of Calvin Ayre, he hasn't said anything and the writers on his site haven't said anything about the move, and that is to be expected. He'll continue to keep his distance from the bovada/ignition site, IMO.
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    Can you imagine the rush to the cash outs page?

    I have always thought Bovada played the game the right way but it will be interesting to watch.

    Gosh, I wonder if anyone here has tried to make a large withdrawal?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanlmar View Post
    Gosh, I wonder if anyone here has tried to make a large withdrawal?
    I've been waiting 7+ days for mine via the in-house debit card option. With the SMPO ending, and this news, I am sure the withdraw queues are going to be clogged.

    I do know people have been having a hit-and-miss effort with the btc withdraw, although when it does work, its fast af.

    Either way, the migration is going to effect the punter numbers. I know many on the bovada forms on 2p2 have already assumed the poker portion of the site is kinda being phased out here, and have expressed that they are:

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    OPR's report:

    Ignition Casino was launched earlier this year, with games provided by Rival and Real Time Gaming, two of the biggest online casino/slots games providers in the industry. Poker software was provided by Bodog/Bovada, and as mentioned above, the website is almost identical to that of Bodog.
    All of these elements indicate that the business was not set up on the cheap.
    There is almost no corporate information that I could find regarding Lynton Limited, the name of the permit holder listed for Ignition Casino on the Kahnawake Gaming Commission website.
    If the sale of Bovada poker to Ignition was an arms length transaction, then the cost must have been substantial, certainly in tens of millions, possibly even over $100 million.
    Could Calvin Ayre still be the owner of Bovada? Possibly, but if so it seems a strange corporate decision to split off online poker from the other gambling games and shift it to a new site.
    http://www.onlinepokerreport.com/218...nition-casino/
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    Yeah, this is huge, and not in a good way.

    I agree that cashing out will probably be handled okay. It may slow down, but I think we will get our money. It's possible that a "run on the bank" might put some pretty big stalls in the cashout process, but I have to imagine Bovada is prepared for this. They've been at this payouts game for 16 years, and do it better than anyone, even Pokerstars. That's always been Bovada's strength -- their ability to pay out relatively large sums of money quickly and reliably, even with the incredibly difficult payout landscape in US online poker since 2011.

    However, this new Ignition site will be a fail.

    Everyone knows Bodog/Bovada. The average sportsbetting or online casino fish thinks of them immediately as a reputable choice with whom to bet. That won't be true of Ignition. Some of these fish who like poker may transfer over, but they will lose their balance and that will be that. A few will reload, but most of them will save their rolls for Bovada where they play casino and sports.

    This is an incredibly depressing day for me. As funny as this seems, it's worse than Black Friday for me personally. This is because I thought to myself, "I still have Bodog" when Black Friday hit. Sure, the disappearance of Stars hurt, but the truth was that those games were already getting pretty tough. Bodog was a big prize which was still within my reach. I foolishly quit for awhile during the anonymous table era and "patiently" waited for online poker to flourish legally (lol), but that didn't occur. I returned to Bovada and have been playing actively ever since.

    Now there is no more middle-high limit holdem accessible to me online. I mean, I can play today, and I can probably still play until September 30, but after that the games will dry up, and it will be me versus the Minnesota limit holdem allstars, and that's not particularly appealing.

    I do not have a desire to go over to Carbon with its payout problems (and tougher games at lower limits), nor do I want to go to ACR where there isn't any active limit holdem running (and if this changes, again it will be all/mostly tough pros).

    I'm not going to become a live pro. I would rather hels myself than do that 5 days a week.

    I'm not going to attempt to become an NL or PLO online cash pro, for various reasons, one of which being the learning curve which would be required to beat the middle limit games on these sites.

    As strange as this is for me to consider, I might be out of viable options for regular poker play within a few weeks, and I might have to pull an ARod and retire.

     
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    Also, they didn't e-mail me.

    I have about 35k on there at the moment. I'm guessing they might be holding back the announcement for those with big balances.

    Since my unfortunate account freezing and reinstatement, when I held almost 52k, I cashed out 9500 and lost 7500.

    I have another cashout pending (from August 5), but we will see how fast that processes.

     
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