ProfessionalRakeback.com is a SCAM, and they are promoting a SCAM poker site named Full Flush Poker

[Dan Druff]

What pisses me off the most is how sanctimonious Jonathan Brown was regarding Lock Poker and everything they were doing.

He was on his high horse bashing them for lying about their liquidity, accepting deposits, pros buying up money at a discount and priority-cashing out, etc.

Now he's doing all of these things himself.

Amazingly the dude is still living in Lake Charles, LA, rather than hiding out in a foreign country like Jennifer Larson did.

You'd think he'd be smart enough to stay out of the US when he's such an integral part of an illegal gambling site which is ALSO a scam, but yet he's sitting there in Lake Charles like it's all no big deal.

If he had any common sense whatsoever, he would be in contact with all of the victims right now, turning over 100% of what he knows about Full Flush management, and apologizing profusely.

[SantaCruz]

Looks like Jonny Brown is actively reading this forum. He just killed the page.

It's literally been up there for 10 years.

I figured that he would so I made a copy.

[Dan Druff]

Here he is, in all of his February 2006, crossdressing glory



He's the one on the right.

[SantaCruz]

That's one deletion that didn't go his way.

[Fartapotomous]

Here he is, in all of his February 2006, crossdressing glory



He's the one on the right.

Scammed by a brassiere wearing fruit looper to put the salt in the wound of all players he got to deposit and later bought out funds for .40 on the dollar. Wonder what bobo would say to all this. Santa did you send him this link?

[SantaCruz]

No, I haven't logged on to 2+2 in over a month.

[Game Protect]

Jonathan Brown is doubtless a criminal and victims can doubtless sue him for compensation for damages suffered because signed up thru his scam website. I say that he is clearly liable if someone signed up with him at Full Flush let us say within the last 9 months, while it was clear that player funds are embezzled.

In the meantime, we offer 5 victims a Full Flush 70:30 litigation attempt and this totally cost free for you.

[haleylh]

Jonathan Brown is doubtless a criminal and victims can doubtless sue him for compensation for damages suffered because signed up thru his scam website. I say that he is clearly liable if someone signed up with him at Full Flush let us say within the last 9 months, while it was clear that player funds are embezzled.

In the meantime, we offer 5 victims a Full Flush 70:30 litigation attempt and this totally cost free for you.

Hmmm, unless Druff is leading a double life as an Eastern Europe-based affiliate marketer, he might not be too thrilled to see that the "Forum" link on your site links directly here, thus implying that PFA is part of your operation.

Shady, much?

[LarryLaffer]

Jonathan Brown is doubtless a criminal and victims can doubtless sue him for compensation for damages suffered because signed up thru his scam website. I say that he is clearly liable if someone signed up with him at Full Flush let us say within the last 9 months, while it was clear that player funds are embezzled.

In the meantime, we offer 5 victims a Full Flush 70:30 litigation attempt and this totally cost free for you.

Hmmm, unless Druff is leading a double life as an Eastern Europe-based affiliate marketer, he might not be too thrilled to see that the "Forum" link on your site links directly here, thus implying that PFA is part of your operation.

Shady, much?

I already got to the bottom of this scam. but it got buried bc I poasted it in the wrong place

[LarryLaffer]

http://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sho...m-Game-Protect






I think it's a scammer trying to get people's debt for a 30% vig.

[haleylh]

Hmmm, unless Druff is leading a double life as an Eastern Europe-based affiliate marketer, he might not be too thrilled to see that the "Forum" link on your site links directly here, thus implying that PFA is part of your operation.

Shady, much?

I already got to the bottom of this scam. but it got buried bc I poasted it in the wrong place

Well, it depends which direction you dig. The site owner has his domain info hidden, same as his affiliate ID's, the latter via a WP plug-in call. But the site is hosted in Bucharest, and that's a start. The Lock Poker stuff and the slightly off feel of the text (like English as a second language), makes me feel like this GameProtect guy is a dupe account here for that TowerFlower acct or whatever it was, who seems to have disappeared just about the time this crud sprung up.

Perils of running an online site -- now Druff has to go do a few things to block this clown.

Some of the affiliate IDs can be found with a little more digging, like this for GameProtect's Bodog/Bovada page:
http://record.bettingpartners.com/_N...2Nd7ZgqdRLk/1/

[Game Protect]

http://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sho...m-Game-Protect

I think it's a scammer trying to get people's debt for a 30% vig.

The lawyer we cooperate with take a 20% no cure no pay. So for every amount we are able to collect, we would get 10%. But victims can try to collect what is owed directly and save the 10%, we don't mind.

Victims can also sue the manager(s) of the Full Flush scam, he is liable. His name is publicly stated in the internet.

[Dan Druff]

http://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sho...m-Game-Protect

I think it's a scammer trying to get people's debt for a 30% vig.

The lawyer we cooperate with take a 20% no cure no pay. So for every amount we are able to collect, we would get 10%. But victims can try to collect what is owed directly and save the 10%, we don't mind.

Victims can also sue the manager(s) of the Full Flush scam, he is liable. His name is publicly stated in the internet.

Okay... but let's start with something simple.

Why are you providing a "forum" link (implying it's your forum) which directs to my site?

That's very misleading, and I would like you to either take the link down or make it clear that this link is to an outside forum with no affiliation with your company.

In fact, if you don't do that, I will block all incoming clicks from your forum, and replace it with a warning message that your company is attempting to mislead people.

[Dan Druff]

Also, which lawyer are you cooperating with, and where is he based?

[SantaCruz]

One thing that I've tried to pound into people's heads over and over again on 2+2 is to never send your username to anyone you're not familiar with over the internet. Because when you do, you've given that person not only your unsername but also your IP address which is all anyone needs to cheat you via DDOS attacks while you play online. A lot of people use the same username for all the sites that they play on.

And why on earth would a class action suit limit itself to 5 people? To my ear, it sounds like a 'limited time offer' type of strategy that's commonly used to elicit responses.

[LarryLaffer]

glad I saw it.

[JohnCommode]

Is there one honest Eastern European on the internet or do they all scam, drive Mercedes, and try to play in the PFA Freeroll without listening to the show?

[Dan Druff]

This does look like a freeroll to me.

"GameProtect" cannot name its lawyer and cannot explain how it will have any kind of power to retrieve Full Flush funds.

But desperate people will give them their info, and then if FullFlush pays by some miracle, GameProtect will expect 30%.

I think that for this service to be judged legit, we need to have concrete information on who is involved and what they will be doing for the players.

[Dan Druff]

Anyway, here's the e-mail they are sending everyone this week... or at least anyone who asks about payouts:

Hello

Thank you for playing at Full Flush Poker!!!

Your payment is currently on queue for execution and it will be processed as soon as possible. Previous Management left a long list of pending payments to be processed and between affiliates and players we have paid around $800,000 in last four months.

We can guarantee that this list of pending payments is getting smaller every single day and we will continue working on it as fast as possible. We have also been working on permanent solutions and the results should be completely visible within the next three weeks.

We have added you now to our priority list but please keep in mind that we are processing payments in the order that the request was received. Then we must respect this synchronized process in order to satisfy all our customers. We appreciate your patience during this transition process.


Regards,

Nathalie A.
Payouts Department.

The boding above was done by me, not them.

They've taken this page straight outta UB's playbook.

1) Make up a story about evil "old ownership/management" and blame all of the problems on them.

2) Announce that you are responsible and good, unlike the old ownership/management, and will make everything right.

3) Ask for everyone's patience to trust you, because you're supposedly making lots of progress cleaning up the mess of the previous ownership group.

My response:




There is no "new management". And if there is, they're just as crooked and shady as the old management.

We've seen this nonsense peddled time and time again on no-pay online gambling sites over the years. It's simply not true.

Also, notice they used the phrase "between affiliates and players we have paid around $800,000 in last four months". First off, there's no chance that's true. Only a few $300-ish moneygrams have been reported on 2+2. No large payouts were made, and it's a small enough network to where there's no way they paid out $800,000 in small moneygram payments.

But notice the "and affiliates" part. That seems to be even more evidence that kahn/HowQuaint/Jonathan Brown was/is receiving PRIORITY CASHOUTS, and that's why he seems so willing to buy up money at 40c on the dollar.

In fact, I imagine that Jonathan Brown probably has an arrangement with them to where they split the profit for the 40c on the dollar purchases he makes. So, for example, if they are paying him 70c on the dollar, then they're getting rid of cashout liabilities for 70% payments, while Jonny Brown makes a healthy profit on the transaction.

Totally scummy.

[Game Protect]

One thing that I've tried to pound into people's heads over and over again on 2+2 is to never send your username to anyone you're not familiar with over the internet. Because when you do, you've given that person not only your unsername but also your IP address which is all anyone needs to cheat you via DDOS attacks while you play online. A lot of people use the same username for all the sites that they play on.

You can contact Game Protect using a VPN or TOR, we don't care about your IP address.

And why on earth would a class action suit limit itself to 5 people? To my ear, it sounds like a 'limited time offer' type of strategy that's commonly used to elicit responses.

5 people is the required number. The more people join, the higher the total claim is, the lower is the chance that Full Flush will pay. That is why we limit it to the required minimum of 5.

Your accusation would make sense, if Game Protect would ask for user names or any other personal details during the preselection process. But as this is not the case, your accusation makes no sense.