Time to get on the TRUMP train

[hongkonger]

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKBN15G5RX


Obama put the mission on ice because, based on the information provided by professionals, the strategic benefits were not worth the danger to both our military operatives and the local civilians.

Trump simply whittled down the voices in the room until the only ones left were telling him what he wanted to hear.

no it's cool, career military intelligence guys like steve bannon and jared kushner were apparently in the briefing when trump decided to go forward with it. true story.

also lol is the fact that the details of this meeting -- and everything else trump does, like what was said on private phone calls -- gets leaked ASAP to the media. kind of tells you there's a whole lot of people there in the white house that are mortified by what they're seeing

i cant find the quote but someone from state basically just told a reporter that the entirety of the united state intelligence community regard trump as a manifest threat to the republic.

Except the FBI agents who helped his campaign in violation of federal law.

[sonatine]

oh.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKBN15G5RX


Obama put the mission on ice because, based on the information provided by professionals, the strategic benefits were not worth the danger to both our military operatives and the local civilians.

Trump simply whittled down the voices in the room until the only ones left were telling him what he wanted to hear.

Not only that, it's pretty obvious Trump wanted to make a splash with a military operation early so he would look tough and manly because his supporters wanted him to kick some ass. So he asks a friendly general if they've got anything ready to go quickly they could dust off, and this is the best they could come up with.

Seriously after all his bullshit about how ISIS were committing medieval atrocities, he burns a fucking village with a few retired al Qaeda goofs in it.

And even manages to bungle that.

[Lord of the Fraud]

CNN just done a piece on Bannon by playing clips of radio interviews he's done in the last couple years.... He is all about the hate.


There can't be any doubt on his ambition for a religious war.


Also believes American media and government has been infiltrated from within by muslims whose ultimate goal is Sharia Law.


These are not panel based opinions on Bannon. Those are the actual words coming outa his fat poisonous mouth.


secondincommand

[Mintjewlips]

Paradigm shift much??

The majority of rural community's are starting to be populated with kids of closed minded zealots, kids that grew up watching and digesting the tolerant views that were crammed into their brains by most of the teenage demographic programming of that time. These kids are now adults and there views differ slightly to vastly from their parents. Mainly their parents views on gay people, you'll find that even in rural country communities the tolerance for gay people is no different then any "progressive" community. Im not saying its perfect but what is.

If this trend continues, along with white people in rural areas becoming more accepting of minorities and their common goals as Americans, then the Democrats are all but done.

Since 2012 the Democrats have lost over 1000 seats in multiple state legislatures and counting.

The Republicans have become a loose coalition of people who have different ideologies with one thing in common, America first.

RIP Democrats

[GrenadaRoger]

Since 2012 the Democrats have lost over 1000 seats in multiple state legislatures and counting.

The Republicans have become a loose coalition of people who have different ideologies with one thing in common, America first.

RIP Democrats

you are so right about a significant change...the regular Republicans all fell to Trump and his populism in the primaries

Trump brought organized labor to the Republican Party...Organized labor has always been for restricted immigration and protection of domestic industry--that is where there membership is...Republican have traditionally been anti-labor & pro free trade

so Trump going protectionist/closed borders moved labor from the Democrats to the Republicans...

the result is the parties have changed significantly, a change on the magnitude of the South going Republican after the 1960's civil rights act...

the parties will reform, the structure of the American election system pretty much dictates no more than two parties can exist...

[DirtyB]

ah.. sorry.. confused you with someone else, otherwise i wouldnt have bothered trying here.

and yes, educated adults who trust science over religion do, as a rule, know better.

that's basically what "knowing" is, hence the root of the word being "knowledge".

knowledge?? Do you really thing a middle class factory worker/office manager whose job has been outsourced to China/India will ever again trust the experts, politicians and economists, that were pro-free trade China entry to the WTO? It cost 2.8 million manufacturing jobs, plus the related businesses/jobs for those serving the manufacturing workers...

Economist were partially right, yes overall the US is richer/benefits with free trade, but what the experts didn't consider was the wealth/benefits are distributed unequally...and the ones that lost out are the Trump voters...perfectly understandable to me why those folks are pissed and will try something different

so rather than dismissing those folk, take your knowledge and education back to the laboratory and figure out a way to get their votes back...do that rather that clogging streets with protests...if you come up anything better there will be an election in 4 years time and you might get your way again...and that is how democracy works to change things for its people

The only way those workers are getting their old jobs back is if we bring back Ned Ludd, destroy all of the robots, and make it illegal to build new ones.

Hundreds of thousands of Chinese manufacturing jobs are going to be replaced by robots this year.

When Obama tried to have an adult discussion about this issue, the idiots on Fox News screamed that he was "giving up on white working class people". And then the same idiots screamed about how Obama was racially divisive.

This is what a car factory looks like now. Not because of unions or trade deals or any other bullshit you want to blame it on. This factory just makes cheaper, better cars than the one it replaced, which employed 5 times as many people.

[MumblesBadly]

OSA: doesnt add up to 100%


OSA, are you fucking brain damaged?

44% dont vote, meaning 56% do vote. 35% represents a majority of that 56%.

How the fuck do you even manage to log onto the internet, much less make such a catastrophic fool of yourself with such terrifying efficiency?

edit: ragetypo

Your hypothetical doesn't apply to what happened with the general election because only 35% of the 56% who DID vote voted for the con artist. That means only 19.6% of the "passengers" voted for the con artist.

[sonatine]

OSA: doesnt add up to 100%


OSA, are you fucking brain damaged?

44% dont vote, meaning 56% do vote. 35% represents a majority of that 56%.

How the fuck do you even manage to log onto the internet, much less make such a catastrophic fool of yourself with such terrifying efficiency?

edit: ragetypo

Your hypothetical doesn't apply to what happened with the general election because only 35% of the 56% who DID vote voted for the con artist. That means only 19.6% of the "passengers" voted for the con artist.

Oh my god I cant with you. You are literally the Gordoganger.

[DirtyB]

Yeah, that burn it all down line of thinking is moronic. This isn't progress. The only things getting done are a march towards theocracy. The main areas of concern for those in power are Obamacare and social issues like abortion. You line up the countries that don't have universal health care or abortion rights
and the list is entirely comprised of Africa, Banana Republics, and middle eastern theocracies. Not a single civilized country. The closest thing to American mainstream conservatism is middle eastern theocracy.

We've never been less free, the theocrats ideas have never been less popular, yet they Trojan horsed their Stone Age thinking like a parasite on the belly of a populist who appealed to the growing idiocracy and now think they have a mandate. The Republicans haven't elected a president in nearly 40 years not born a millionaire. It's absurd. Silver-spooned fake tough guys talking strong and fools lapping it up.

Bad news on that front. Trump was apparently serious about wanting to get rid of the Johnson Amendment, which forbids tax exempt churches from directly engaging in political activities and endorsing candidates.

It's actually not a huge deal, because churches have been blatantly breaking the rules for a long time. Obama let the Mormons do horrible shit fighting against gay marriage and legal pot ballot initiatives.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/02/u...ent-trump.html

[limitles]

The problem is Trump is going to leave a trail of destruction in his wake and will not build anything to replace it.

It's like an NBA franchise selling its aging stars and tanking for 4 years so that they can rebuild.

Very few owners & general managers have the guts to do this. They gotta put fannies in the seats.

We are blessed that through a little luck Trump was elected - else how would this tear down occur? It's a miracle.

Meanwhile, Trump is keeping fannies in the seats.

When the Nixon impeachment hearings hit the small screen in the 70's - a generation of pissed off kids were inspired to become lawyers.

Maybe Trump will inspire a generation of pissed off kids to serve politics for the right reasons.

Trump isn't gonna rebuild after what he has wrought. Hopefully, politics will be changed. Some unknown will come out of nowhere. I think of Jimmy Carter after Nixon. Good guy wanting to serve for reasons that were pure.

Hopefully, this is our future. In the meantime I love the chaos & havoc. We will survive (not all of us) the carnage. We always do.

'Murcia 2.0

Different influences

[GrenadaRoger]

knowledge?? Do you really thing a middle class factory worker/office manager whose job has been outsourced to China/India will ever again trust the experts, politicians and economists, that were pro-free trade China entry to the WTO? It cost 2.8 million manufacturing jobs, plus the related businesses/jobs for those serving the manufacturing workers...

Economist were partially right, yes overall the US is richer/benefits with free trade, but what the experts didn't consider was the wealth/benefits are distributed unequally...and the ones that lost out are the Trump voters...perfectly understandable to me why those folks are pissed and will try something different

so rather than dismissing those folk, take your knowledge and education back to the laboratory and figure out a way to get their votes back...do that rather that clogging streets with protests...if you come up anything better there will be an election in 4 years time and you might get your way again...and that is how democracy works to change things for its people

The only way those workers are getting their old jobs back is if we bring back Ned Ludd, destroy all of the robots, and make it illegal to build new ones.

Hundreds of thousands of Chinese manufacturing jobs are going to be replaced by robots this year.

When Obama tried to have an adult discussion about this issue, the idiots on Fox News screamed that he was "giving up on white working class people". And then the same idiots screamed about how Obama was racially divisive.

This is what a car factory looks like now. Not because of unions or trade deals or any other bullshit you want to blame it on. This factory just makes cheaper, better cars than the one it replaced, which employed 5 times as many people.

point well taken Barry...there are capital/technology intensive industries (auto assembly, chemicals. textiles) and there are labor intensive ones (clothing, furniture manufacture, jewelry)...letting China, a country with a lot of land and under-used population into the WTO in 2001, resulted in a rapid exit of jobs from America...if instead of China, a small country such as Vietnam were let in, in a short time Vietnam reaches full employment, their wage rise and become comparable to the US and there is no rapid loss of US jobs...instead the loss is gradual and the excess capacity in the US can be retrained, work off without widespread blight on traditional areas of manufacturing...that was the mistake made, allowing rapid restructuring

the result, political strife...now is a period as divisive in America as 1965-1971

but i can't accept just blowing off Americans put out of work by the miscalculations of economist/politicians;

new industries will have to be created, people will be put back to work, and foreign competition/labor will have to be be shut out for a while

[sonatine]

tl;dr: countries with excellent education programs are kicking the shit out of backwards and lazy amerifats.

what a shocking twist, quick someone elect a drug addicted real estate huckster to fix everything, because dumb votes matter.

[LarryLaffer]

The problem is Trump is going to leave a trail of destruction in his wake and will not build anything to replace it.

It's like an NBA franchise selling its aging stars and tanking for 4 years so that they can rebuild.

Very few owners & general managers have the guts to do this. They gotta put fannies in the seats.

We are blessed that through a little luck Trump was elected - else how would this tear down occur? It's a miracle.

Meanwhile, Trump is keeping fannies in the seats.

When the Nixon impeachment hearings hit the small screen in the 70's - a generation of pissed off kids were inspired to become lawyers.

Maybe Trump will inspire a generation of pissed off kids to serve politics for the right reasons.

Trump isn't gonna rebuild after what he has wrought. Hopefully, politics will be changed. Some unknown will come out of nowhere. I think of Jimmy Carter after Nixon. Good guy wanting to serve for reasons that were pure.

Hopefully, this is our future. In the meantime I love the chaos & havoc. We will survive (not all of us) the carnage. We always do.

'Murcia 2.0

LoL those kids would be my parents generation. the same ones who have brought us to the brink of insanity we have now. How pissed off were they? Drugs are still illegal. We're still at war and have been since then. Sure, I run into a defense attorney now and then who's of that age (or older) who seems to be pretty liberal, but for the most part, these offices I go into, offices that are owned and operated by that generation who were inspired to become lawyers, are pretty fucking conservative, and pieces of shit. Most aren't even doing criminal law anymore. That takes a toll on you.

that generation got tired long ago of fighting. It's my generation's lawyers who are now having to clean up the mess.

beautifully written post. I also enjoy the chaos, but when I see the makings of something worse than a little bit of chaos and havoc, I have to be a little bit worried. Surely, deep down San, you are too?

[tyde]

New York City today

[MumblesBadly]

Re Druff's support of Trump's immigration ban "in principle" even if he disagrees with some details and its implementation:

Druff, here's a reminder of when the US government did a similar ban.

[MumblesBadly]

Your hypothetical doesn't apply to what happened with the general election because only 35% of the 56% who DID vote voted for the con artist. That means only 19.6% of the "passengers" voted for the con artist.

Oh my god I cant with you. You are literally the Gordoganger.

As I look over your exchange with Grenade Man again, I'm going to call foul on your example for another reason: The type of democracy you put up as an example arbitrarily allowed a plurality of the passengers who *could* have voted to determine who the leader was provided he received a majority of the votes cast. By your logic, such a democracy could allow the con artist to be chosen to pilot the plane even if only 3% voted for him provided that 95% of the passengers didn't vote. Well-functioning democracies don't have such chaos-inducing voting rules.

And let's not forget something: The alternative (rule by a non-democratic government) is worse. Unless, of course, you would *prefer* the US adopt *another* type of government?

[Tellafriend]

[MumblesBadly]

[MumblesBadly]

[DirtyB]

new industries will have to be created, people will be put back to work, and foreign competition/labor will have to be be shut out for a while

New industries are being created. One thing they all have in common is that they involve tons of computers and/or robots, and a small handful of highly educated people.

One of those is the autonomous vehicle industry. It's going to put millions of people out of work in the very near future. Instead of doing any preparation for this massive shift, Trump is telling the people who are about to get fucked that he's going to take care of them, and largely won their vote because of it.